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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
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    A lot of points here and, while I have posted and supported the Healer Strike, I can tell you that there has been both support AND discourse from the birth of this strike. I think the thing that has happened from it that is a good thing is discussions of jobs, roles, and the direction of the gameplay. So in this sense, just talking about things does some good.

    As far is the guarrantee vs. "0 chance", I think you are arguing semantics here but I will oblige. No, from the realist standpoint we have no confirmation that the devs has seen the strike but we also have more reason to believe then not that they have seen it based on information from the devs in the past. i.e devs telling us they check streams/forums.

    We are also saying that we aren't trying to blow the game up. We aren't trying to quit over a specific part of the game we love. We WANT to have fun with healers, we WANT to but I have been falling asleep as a healer waaaay more then even being a gatherer and I feel like that is an issue. So no, we do not have control over devs actions and that is ok. If they change things awesome, if not then that is ok.

    Wait, I have been using "we" a lot....am I a spokesperson now?? Yay~~ That was easy~~ In seriousness, I do wish the bad faith and vitrol would disappear from BOTH sides. I think debates are good and healthy, but I have seen it across the board so lets not play the blame game.

    regarding the manderville relics, I am not sure I know what is being entirely talked about here, but didn't Yoshida say himself that he regrets making things as easy and accessible or was I just mishearing things? Regardless, I will be curious to see what they do with relics in Dawntrail I do hope it isn't another manderville (side tangent here haha)

    And I mean, I they do have a small point but at the same time, I think actively encouraging open talks is good.

    That is a good tip though for a strike that would actually disrupt gameplay and cause people to question things. But that's not the goal, we don't want to hurt other peoples games we just want to play something fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraShu View Post
    That is a good tip though for a strike that would actually disrupt gameplay and cause people to question things. But that's not the goal, we don't want to hurt other peoples games we just want to play something fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    it is allowed to do group content with friends. we are just not joining any roulettes with randoms generally.

    does it surprise you that people that play healers have friends that we can group with? of course it does

    there are, as someone has said, trusts we can use. while it may not be as "fast and efficient" as you like, healers are rather used to that due to the gameplay of healers.

    nice try but not good enough.
    then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others. and no i not talking about just quing with friends. it obvious they meant it maliciously else why mention it at all. also if you have <3 friends you ARE joining with randos. so again this strike is effectively useless


    due to reaching post limit ill reply here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    2 dps expansion did the job for us, blame squex for the disruption.
    i never once thought healers were behind the 41 long ques im getting for roulettes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    Also who cares about other people's queues? I dont care if you have to wait ten seconds longer, im not enjoying healer ao im not gonna play healer anymore. I dont owe you my time so that you can enjoy a game while im bored, and if that disrupts your precious queue (how dare) then tough *****.
    again its this same attitude. its just rude and unnecessary. its like you think we all owe you something so its okay to target the rest of us for your grievances with SE. nobody is saying omg your ruining my ques, nobodys asking you to play your job, if your not happy on it, go ahead stop playing. but theres no need for this song and dance. just say u dont enjoy it and go play something you do enjoy. SE will get the message significantly faster that way than whatever this strike is meant to be
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    Last edited by sindriiisgaming; 07-03-2024 at 02:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others
    These are two different people with two different goals. Also, the only thing that will ultimately draw the devs eye is if the number of healer players drops in general. If these people don't want to play healers in their current state, they need to... not play then in their current state.. And that will disrupt things in the long run. I'm reminded of Heavensward era tank playerbase being so small its what warranted all tanks being reworked to the way we are in our current state. I'd like to see stance dancing make a return, but as long as people are playing tanks it won't change. That's how it will go for healers, too. Only when the healer population is diminished to a small enough percentage of overall players will anything actually happen. So if healers are to be rare, you will see disrupted que times regardless of organization

    That said, reworking 4 jobs from a mechanical level without changing the current encounter design and design of past encounters is a monumental task. I wouldn't expect anything to come of this for at minimum another expansion, if anything at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others
    I am confused with this quote. After research, this looks like it was started with you mentioning how you saw Healers out in the field (50 of them?) and then people were mentioning what was proposed on page 1 of the strike. Again, we aren't trying to disrupt your gameplay and the mention of trusts should help alleviate that because you are able to still progress through the MSQ, just like us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others
    No it isn't. They are deciding to play a role they might not really enjoy most of the time to help a friend, and decide against playing that role to help random people. The intent isn't to disrupt, the intent is to prioratize fun while playing a computer game. Any disruptionn is just a potential consequence which they are in no way responsible for in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others
    What "blatant attempt to disrupt queues "? The first person you quoted is clearly stating that this is not the goal, the second person is going to group with friends or use trusts. Are you saying that in an MMO, that a person shouldn't be encouraged to group with friends? That should go over well! That hardly leads to a poor game experience for their friends, either, I would hope.

    Nor should anyone be told not to use trusts if they want to.
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