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    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    And here is the other player that did minimal more dmg and healing. And this isn’t a rare thing getting these absolute derps as co healer. Like the role attract free carry mental people https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:cmC...4yYnQ9#fight=3

    Edit: Im on pc now but i posted the same player first twice because they are both almost identical bad that i really thought it was the other person. Here is the real other WHM co healer.
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    Last edited by Mortex; 07-17-2024 at 10:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    And here is the other player that did minimal more dmg and healing. And this isn’t a rare thing getting these absolute derps as co healer. Like the role attract free carry mental people https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:cmC...4yYnQ9#fight=3

    Edit: Im on pc now but i posted the same player first twice because they are both almost identical bad that i really thought it was the other person. Here is the real other WHM co healer.
    When MCH does less damage than a healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Pencho Gipsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    lets be honest here, at what level do they draw the line and say "look, you must have picked up the basics by now so expect things to get a bit harder"
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
    I dont mind gradual improvements which would be a far different direction that the steady decline we have had for a while now.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
    Funny that, when there were drastic changes that destroyed the enjoyment of the game when they lobotomized every single healer after Stormblood.
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    Rowan Aarontagdh
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    The Japanese base is more likely to be more agreeable with the japanese company. As well as the fanbase's culture of rejecting criticism in all forms, and the intensity of japanese conformity culture.
    Like the rest, the view is that Square can do do wrong and it's their job to justify it.
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
    If anything I'd say DPS is the "Inferior role" as they have the least responsibilities in pretty much everything ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    If anything I'd say DPS is the "Inferior role" as they have the least responsibilities in pretty much everything ever.
    fact. they only have ONE job.. to dps.. two if you bother to include "dont stand in bad stuff" but they often fail at #2
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
    I'm still utterly bewildered by this. Why healer? The role that is traditionally tasked with keeping everyone else alive. DPS is right there, that's the "I don't want responsibility" role unless you're doing something with enrage. Otherwise, you can manage to not press your buttons and you're still fine, the fight just takes longer.
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    The Japanese base is more likely to be more agreeable with the japanese company. As well as the fanbase's culture of rejecting criticism in all forms, and the intensity of japanese conformity culture.
    Like the rest, the view is that Square can do do wrong and it's their job to justify it.
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
    Also the jap base forums are heavily moderated and if you say anything negative they probably remove it, cause heaven forbid somebody has an opinion different the SE.
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