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    Punslinger's Avatar
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    Adela Skychaser
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    Lamia
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    Dancer Lv 93
    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    People say that SE have ignored feedback for years.
    But during those years, did they still play a healer regardless?
    If so, maybe SE felt that Healers are still in an OK place and said Feedbacks aren't as critical.
    However.. What if people left feedback and stopped playing healers at the same time.
    Way ahead of you: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...60#post5137360

    That's from 2019, where I stated on the 150+ page "healer quit thread" that I had stopped healing and switched to a DPS main, and explained why. The short version is that I was an AST main who was...unhappy, to put it mildly, about the changes to AST's card system in ShB. AST always had the same 21111111 DPS rotation that all healers have today, and we AST mains wouldn't have wished that on our worst enemies. But the old card system, with its decision tree and interactions with the rest of the kit, made downtime engaging enough that the 2111111 spam was bearable.

    The Job Guide tells me that as of EW, AST's cards buff damage by 6% for 15 seconds. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo. You know what you could do under the old pre-ShB system? Balance under Enhanced Royal Road, into Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition, to give the best DPS in your dungeon run almost fifty seconds of +20% damage. If you also held a Balance in reserve, you could put that on the other DPS and give them 34 seconds of +10% damage at the same time, for an absolutely monstrous opener. You could hold an Ewer in 8- or 24-mans in case you saw your co-healer dying a lot and needing to get back into the action, casting it either on yourself to restore MP you used up rezzing, or on your co-healer so that they can start rezzing. Got a tank that doesn't know what a defensive CD is? Enhanced Bole is a Rampart you can cast on the tank. There were flaws, sure, but those could've been addressed without nuking the card system from orbit as CBU3 did.

    Players posted a lot of suggestions about how things could be improved. ty_taurus came up with a perfectly good card system that addressed the complaints about the randomness of the pre-ShB cards. Other players proposed changes for other jobs, ranging from just giving SCH its damn DoTs back, to devising entire new kits and synergies for the healer jobs. And CBU3's response was to ignore healer complaints, tell people to "go play Ultimate," aggressively dumb down and homogenize healers even more, double down on the godawful "pure vs. shield" split that was never actually a thing, and make the role redundant in anything below EX by giving tanks ever-increasing amounts of self-sustain.

    So is it any wonder that healers are pushing back even harder now? We tried leaving feedback, and we were ignored.
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    "Once upon a time, you were the based healer, who could carry any tank through the largest of pulls! Now you're just here because the Duty Finder said you have to be." - Lucy Pyre

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    Arwing's Avatar
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    Lily Starlight
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    Tonberry
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    Way ahead of you: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...60#post5137360

    That's from 2019, where I stated on the 150+ page "healer quit thread" that I had stopped healing and switched to a DPS main, and explained why. The short version is that I was an AST main who was...unhappy, to put it mildly, about the changes to AST's card system in ShB. AST always had the same 21111111 DPS rotation that all healers have today, and we AST mains wouldn't have wished that on our worst enemies. But the old card system, with its decision tree and interactions with the rest of the kit, made downtime engaging enough that the 2111111 spam was bearable.

    The Job Guide tells me that as of EW, AST's cards buff damage by 6% for 15 seconds. Whoop-dee-freaking-doo. You know what you could do under the old pre-ShB system? Balance under Enhanced Royal Road, into Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition, to give the best DPS in your dungeon run almost fifty seconds of +20% damage. If you also held a Balance in reserve, you could put that on the other DPS and give them 34 seconds of +10% damage at the same time, for an absolutely monstrous opener. You could hold an Ewer in 8- or 24-mans in case you saw your co-healer dying a lot and needing to get back into the action, casting it either on yourself to restore MP you used up rezzing, or on your co-healer so that they can start rezzing. Got a tank that doesn't know what a defensive CD is? Enhanced Bole is a Rampart you can cast on the tank. There were flaws, sure, but those could've been addressed without nuking the card system from orbit as CBU3 did.

    Players posted a lot of suggestions about how things could be improved. ty_taurus came up with a perfectly good card system that addressed the complaints about the randomness of the pre-ShB cards. Other players proposed changes for other jobs, ranging from just giving SCH its damn DoTs back, to devising entire new kits and synergies for the healer jobs. And CBU3's response was to ignore healer complaints, tell people to "go play Ultimate," aggressively dumb down and homogenize healers even more, double down on the godawful "pure vs. shield" split that was never actually a thing, and make the role redundant in anything below EX by giving tanks ever-increasing amounts of self-sustain.

    So is it any wonder that healers are pushing back even harder now? We tried leaving feedback, and we were ignored.
    I absolutely agree with this! Splitting Draw from Play was an absolute mess! Losing the nuance of trusting in our luck to get The Balance or any other card that was required in a situation really hurt. For a time, I mained Astrologian too. I quit using it almost entirely after they ruined the flow. The cards were interesting as they were. Now the cards are just useless. They might as well just give us an ability called "Buff" with X amount of stacks.
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    Don't sweat little things and have fun!

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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eorzean_username View Post
    Pretty much summarises the entirety of your "contributions" to this thread.
    Add to ignore list and move on. They are not stopping. Better to just ignore them.
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Add to ignore list and move on. They are not stopping. Better to just ignore them.
    A bit off-topic, Is there any limit to the number of users that can be added to the ignore list?
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE


    - Seraphism is BAD.
    - Give us back Shadowflare and make Deployment/Emergency Tactics affect Biolysis
    - Give us back Rouse
    - Make pet management rewarding.