#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Evergrey]

Because we have (probably foolishly) believed that square would act in good faith when they constantly tell us to go on the forum and ask for feedback and because some of us have experienced the reverse (ie the “why should we care about your feedback if you don’t play healer anymore”)

We’ve been proverbially boxed into a corner here, every decision we make is the “wrong” one

I don't think I have to say that Feedback are never for certain that it'll get adressed even if heard.
That being said tho.. If people list feedback but still play it might just give the impression that things aren't as bad as people make it out for.
It's not unheard of that people can make things sound worse than they really are.
And are the population numbers still steady then why put in extra work if things are still going well?

If people truly are unhappy, give feedback and show it by playing something else that's more fun.
Then numbers will show that something actually isn't right and the feedback might hold more points than fiction.

Just a thought I got.


I noticed I pretty much just repeated what I said before.
Guess I didn't have much else to say regarding this thought I had. ^^'

[Summersong]

People say that SE have ignored feedback for years.
But during those years, did they still play a healer regardless?
If so, maybe SE felt that Healers are still in an OK place and said Feedbacks aren't as critical.
However.. What if people left feedback and stopped playing healers at the same time.
Then SE would see that the numbers of active healers are dropping while feedback is pouring in.
Maybe then a Strike wouldn't be needed.
Because as things are right now, take away the word Strike it's just people switching to more fulfilling jobs while listing feedbacks (demands).

I'm not sure what this response is trying to say or add? That healers should have quit earlier? That it's their fault for not having done so? That they shouldn't be using the word strike?

Players had faith that if they voiced their concerns then change would come and were happy to wait for it. The improvements never came and so they are acting accordingly. Hindsight is great but we can only act with the information we have now, and sadly that information is that healers don't trust that things are going to change for them for the better.

[Evergrey]

I'm not sure what this response is trying to say or add? That healers should have quit earlier? That it's their fault for not having done so? That they shouldn't be using the word strike?

Players had faith that if they voiced their concerns then change would come and were happy to wait for it. The improvements never came and so they are acting accordingly. Hindsight is great but we can only act with the information we have now, and sadly that information is that healers don't trust that things are going to change for them for the better.

Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
When there's a lot of different options available.
Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.

[Supersnow845]

Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
When there's a lot of different options available.
Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.

In the same vein there is there is the concept of stasis amongst customers like the laws of motion.

Customers will put up with quite a lot in their desire to not change but once you push them far enough they do change it’s incredibly hard to bring them back. Much harder than holding onto them by responding to them when they weren’t moving

In this way the people still sticking with healers but who are unhappy are more “useful” customers than those who’ve already abandoned healers because those still here who are unhappy have a lower threshold to be satisfied than those who already left

[Summersong]

Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
When there's a lot of different options available.
Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.

Thank you for clarifying and you may be right. If so, it just shows the the strike is required. Be it named a strike or not.

Personally, right now I am on a tipping point. My plan already was to try out Pictomancer as my first job and then level my healers. I will be closely watching the battles of DawnTrail and the responses that healers have to the new kits and if it does not look like there has been any improvements then I think I will officially join the strike. I am lucky that my initial plans support the strike from the sidelines so I have time to observe and make my decision but I will still be paying attention, weighing in my voice and showing support.

[CStrife912]

What’s the feedback from the Japanese side of the forums? I can only see a 10 page thread commenting about the English strike thread… is there much else in regards to this and if that is their view of it all. Then it means that the issue mainly exists with the English playerbase which are widely ignore feedback wise lol, this will be interesting

[Evergrey]

What’s the feedback from the Japanese side of the forums? I can only see a 10 page thread commenting about the English strike thread… is there much else in regards to this and if that is their view of it all. Then it means that the issue mainly exists with the English playerbase which are widely ignore feedback wise lol, this will be interesting

What I understood from someone visiting this thread from JP, was that JP players say that SE only listens to EN.
So we seem to have different viewpoints regarding which side SE listens to.

[Edmund_Blackadder]

What’s the feedback from the Japanese side of the forums? I can only see a 10 page thread commenting about the English strike thread… is there much else in regards to this and if that is their view of it all. Then it means that the issue mainly exists with the English playerbase which are widely ignore feedback wise lol, this will be interesting

Some excerpts from the Japanese forum:

フィードバックは常に無視されてきたので黄金のレガシーでヒーラーに手が加えられることはない。初めてFF14でヒーラーをメインにプレイしない拡張パックになる
[Feedback has always been ignored, so healers will never be touched in Golden Legacy[Dawn Trail]. This is the first expansion pack for FF14 that doesn't focus on healers.]

この意見を支持するけど、これまでの方針を考えるとヒーラーに意味のある変更が加えられるのかわからない
[I support this opinion, but I'm not sure there will be any meaningful changes to healers given the current policy.]

ストライキをしているヒーラーのほとんどは絶をクリアしてないのではないか。高難易度ではヒーラーの役割はより重要になっている
[I think most of the healers who are on strike haven't cleared Zetsu [Ultimate]. The role of the healer becomes more important at higher difficulty levels.]

私はこれまでプレイしたほぼすべてのMMOでヒーラーとサポートをメインにしてきたが、FF14のヒーラーはおそらくその中で最悪の体験だ
I've been a healer/support main character in almost every MMO I've played, but FF14's healer experience is probably the worst of them all.

日本のフォーラムがこの意見に賛同しない限り、大きな変化は起こらないだろう
[No major changes will occur unless the Japanese forum agrees with this opinion.]

ヒーラーが失った過去の魔法を返してもらいたいです。紅蓮のリベレーターの頃からプレイしているが、白魔道士に範囲エアロがあったのを覚えている
[I want the healer to return the lost magic of the past. I've been playing since Crimson Liberator [Stormblood], and I remember White Mage having range aero.]

攻撃アビリティを増やし、GCD回復魔法にもっと重点を置いてください
[Increase attack abilities and put more emphasis on GCD recovery magic]


バランスについては気を使いすぎず、ジョブを楽しくすることだけに集中すべきだと思う
[I think you should not worry too much about balance and just focus on making the job fun.]

ヒーラーがいるだけで常にパーティ全体に30%のダメージ増加バフを付与できるというのはどう？
[How about being able to always give a 30% damage increase buff to the entire party just by having a healer?]

少なくとも放置型ガチャゲームよりは忙しい戦闘にしてほしい
[At least I want the battles to be more busy than idle gacha games.]

FF11の白魔道士は純粋なサポート/ヒーラーのジョブだった。白魔道士がすることは回復だけだったが、FF11はそれを中心に設計されていた。FF14では岩や光の玉を投げるだけ。このゲームは回復を中心に設計されていない
[White Mage in FF11 was a pure support/healer job. All White Mage did was heal, and FF11 was designed around that. In FF14, you just throw rocks and balls of light. This game is not designed around recovery[healing]]

昔は「難しすぎる」という声であふれていた。スクエニはプレイヤーのストレスを減らすようにしただけだ。今の状況は開発がプレイヤーの声を聴いた結果だと思っている
[In the past, there were many voices saying that it was "too difficult." Square Enix just tried to make it less stressful for players. I think the current situation is the result of the development team listening to the voices of players.]


Thank you AI for translation xD

[BaconBits]

So the Heal Role wants to dps by adding more button bloat that will have an effect to players on a controller that already have alot to press, interesting :3
I don't recall Heal based characters throughout the FF series having alot of options to dealing damage apart from Holy and uniqueness like Rosa's status arrows in IV.

Healer: I want to dps but I also want warrior reworked to so it self heals less which means I need to heal but idk how to because I want to 2-1-1-1 :'( How dare other Jobs have fun with self heals.
Tank: Me protecc, dw i got myself covered :3 stronk independent tank needs no healer.

The Fix, give you a combo cast that ends with some unique effect , WHM causing a aoe healing pulse or something around the mob, or Ofc make all the 'Story' content tuned so people take way more damage, then It's all up to the healer to deal with it <3
then complain when you have to heal.