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  1. #3231
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    The plan is to switch to another role. Was that not obvious?
    So what people would be doing in Dawntrail with new jobs....anyways? Like come on.

    Why do you insist on the need for further escalating a confrontation with SE? I mean, you're perfectly free to follow your own advice. But you seem weirdly pushy to try get other people to do unsub. With the sideeffect that they will stop being paying customers so they lose an important reason for why they can request changes. You're giving of very strong vibes of a high school troll trying a "did you hear what they said about your mom!!" just for the resulting schadenfreude.
    Just because I dont agree that the strike will be impactful, doesnt mean its trolling. It means I dont agree the strike will be impactful to what is being asked for.
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  2. #3232
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    "This strike is a protest. As such, it is not intended to disrupt the game or the players who have subscribed to FFXIV.
    The activity of a player supporting the strike has chosen to not participate in duties as the healer role. Most supporters are still going to actively participate in duties, meaning they are still contributing to the community. Just not as a healer."

    Which is it? Inflating queue times for other players by continuing to play the game as other roles, you are disrupting other players' experience. Plus this is just not an effective way to provide feedback to the development team, they still see engagement in the content. You want an effective way to show them? Unsub for longer than a month or two. Money speaks. I genuinely feel for the healers that want a more engaging gameplay experience but this ain't it folks.
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  3. #3233
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasan View Post
    "This strike is a protest. As such, it is not intended to disrupt the game or the players who have subscribed to FFXIV.
    The activity of a player supporting the strike has chosen to not participate in duties as the healer role. Most supporters are still going to actively participate in duties, meaning they are still contributing to the community. Just not as a healer."

    Which is it? Inflating queue times for other players by continuing to play the game as other roles, you are disrupting other players' experience. Plus this is just not an effective way to provide feedback to the development team, they still see engagement in the content. You want an effective way to show them? Unsub for longer than a month or two. Money speaks. I genuinely feel for the healers that want a more engaging gameplay experience but this ain't it folks.
    Honestly the Devs have done more to inflate queue times than our healer strike given they released two DPS classes at the same time.

    Unfortunately that makes the timing of the strike perhaps a bit less effective; they may assume people are just playing the new DPS classes because they are new anyway. This would also take away some tanks and dilute the playerbase from the other DPS classes too, for a while.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 06-18-2024 at 09:07 AM.

  4. #3234
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    Honestly the Devs have done more to inflate queue times than our healer strike given they released two DPS classes at the same time.
    Like they did in stormblood?
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  5. #3235
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    Lily Starlight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess View Post
    yet the game makers seem to think the only content that ever should matter, or should require some effort or thinking is savage content or ultimate's. I enjoy playing what i enjoy, when i get on diablo 2 i can play w/e i want it doesnt matter if ww is the best for ubbers/fighting I can play a frogger if I choice to, doesnt matter if bone spirit is one of the best moves on necromancer poison is still great...
    In Shadowbringers and Endwalker, they amped up the difficulty of dungeons as requested, and I felt the pinch. I started dying as often as I did with raids because they added less opaque mechanics to challenge players that were complaining then. Though I amped up my game as you say, I don't feel that it was necessary to complicate the casual content so much that people like me can't just enjoy clearing the content. There are reasons why I don't run EX content anymore, let alone Savage raids. That content is what separates people who look for challenges from the casuals that just want to enjoy the game at their own pace. What right do you have to rob weaker, slower, less capable players of their experiences to enhance your own? Putting oneself above others is only natural. But when taking it too far, it becomes a form of narcissism.
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  6. #3236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasan View Post
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    Healing isn't a public service, and us unsubbing isn't going to fill healer queues.

    If you believe that's the only way to enact change though, you can do it yourself, or is your support only superficial?
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  7. #3237
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    In Shadowbringers and Endwalker, they amped up the difficulty of dungeons as requested, and I felt the pinch. I started dying as often as I did with raids because they added less opaque mechanics to challenge players that were complaining then. Though I amped up my game as you say, I don't feel that it was necessary to complicate the casual content so much that people like me can't just enjoy clearing the content. There are reasons why I don't run EX content anymore, let alone Savage raids. That content is what separates people who look for challenges from the casuals that just want to enjoy the game at their own pace. What right do you have to rob weaker, slower, less capable players of their experiences to enhance your own? Putting oneself above others is only natural. But when taking it too far, it becomes a form of narcissism.
    you can clear all that anyways, it doesnt matter how hard they make it when you can have npcs carry you through the content now _-_ you can legit clear anything in the game b y just going in and afking while npcs kill it for you, yes it will take time ... and you want to know what right..


    ITS YOUR OWN FAULT AT LEVEL 100+ if you cant handle basic stuff im sorry im not going to be nice with that, its your own fault you have the ability to learn from level 1 to get basic skill level to play.. if you want to clear with no effort while watching netflix go in with the npcs and just let them fight alone there you go proplem solved

    npcs are there for weaker/slower and less "capable players"


    and if you cant handle it being a little harder at higher levels thats your own fault, just stay below 70 content im sorry but we need to stop holding the hands of players that refuse to learn through the leveling process
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  8. #3238
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    Healing isn't a public service, and us unsubbing isn't going to fill healer queues.
    If you believe that's the only way to enact change, though, you can do it yourself. Or is your support only superficial?

    And you think your strike to not heal but still sub is going to achieve anything? It won't. The effect is the same. The benefit of ending one's sub impacts not just the queues but also the company's bottom line. If you don't quit and you jump into those queues, in what way are you actually demonstrating as required by this movement? Just agreeing with the sentiments without acting is somehow going to make it happen?

    I don't agree with the sentiments overall, except for making all the healers as interesting as Sage by making attacks more diverse. So I'm not going to be striking, but this should concern you and others who are, assuming this whole thing doesn't flub out.
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    Last edited by Arwing; 06-18-2024 at 09:22 AM.
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  9. #3239
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess View Post
    you can clear all that anyways, it doesnt matter how hard they make it when you can have npcs carry you through the content now _-_ you can legit clear anything in the game b y just going in and afking while npcs kill it for you, yes it will take time ... and you want to know what right..


    ITS YOUR OWN FAULT AT LEVEL 100+ if you cant handle basic stuff im sorry im not going to be nice with that, its your own fault you have the ability to learn from level 1 to get basic skill level to play.. if you want to clear with no effort while watching netflix go in with the npcs and just let them fight alone there you go proplem solved

    npcs are there for weaker/slower and less "capable players"


    and if you cant handle it being a little harder at higher levels thats your own fault, just stay below 70 content im sorry but we need to stop holding the hands of players that refuse to learn through the leveling process
    True, but these arguments are largely dismissed. Though trusts have their uses, this is an MMORPG. Whether people can clear content thanks to the Trusts moving to the right places, although sometimes too slowly, this game is meant to be played with others. I queue with other players and only use Trusts to grind out levels and farm dungeon gear, etc.
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    Don't sweat little things and have fun!

  10. #3240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwing View Post
    True, but these arguments are largely dismissed. Though trusts have their uses, this is an MMORPG. Whether people can clear content thanks to the Trusts moving to the right places, although sometimes too slowly, this game is meant to be played with others. I queue with other players and only use Trusts to grind out levels and farm dungeon gear, etc.
    Then learn you have 100 levels to learn to play it at a medium skill level, im not saying to be a god player like some of these streamers or im not saying be able to be a god tier savage player, but im sorry there is no excuse to not understanding and able to preform atleast at midcore level at level 85+ , you have your methods to clear it, you have the tools to learn to get better and improve yourself.. seems like to me you dont want to improve yourself just make an excuse and while you have a tool TO STILL CLEAR THE content no matter how hard they make it your not being prevent from clearining anything, your choicing to dumb down the game for everyone when you refuse to learn the game from level 1 all the way to w/e the cap is in the future currently 90 but soon 100 levels of learning ...


    SO JUST LEARN *THROWS BOOK*


    PRACTICE rerun a dungeon 20-30 times until you have avarage to decent skill level, learn with npcs then play with players many tools at your hands ... im sorry but no there is zero excuse
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    Last edited by Graveyardprincess; 06-18-2024 at 09:29 AM.

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