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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    Pushing other players to unsubscribe when they are unhappy with part of the game is weird and creepy. And claiming healers aren't serious when they refuse to unsub is transparently manipulative. People do not need your "help" to decide when they are still hopeful and when they give up and decide to move on from FF.

    The time and effort people spend on the strike make it clear many healers think the game is worth fighting for and they still have hope for improvements. The number of healers speaking up in response to the strike should be celebrated, not whatever you're trying to do.
    Giving a developer money while actively campaigning against their design decisions with no plan if nothing changes come next expac makes this whole seem performative. Its why gamer strikes are considered memes.

    I agree with the message and the healer feedback, but not the methodology. Sub if you want, unsub if you want - but going on a full crusade like this while having no "line in the sand" only shows the non-committal nature of it all. We have seen it other MMOs, we'll see it again - I hope I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Giving a developer money while actively campaigning against their design decisions with no plan if nothing changes come next expac makes this whole seem performative. Its why gamer strikes are considered memes.

    I agree with the message and the healer feedback, but not the methodology. Sub if you want, unsub if you want - but going on a full crusade like this while having no "line in the sand" only shows the non-committal nature of it all. We have seen it other MMOs, we'll see it again - I hope I am wrong.
    While I wouldn't consider myself a fan, the bogeyman of general gaming internet himself, Asmongold, has a line that rings pretty true. "Every gaming strike is just one good cinematic away from ending." I highly doubt this movement's going to go anywhere come Dawntrail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    While I wouldn't consider myself a fan, the bogeyman of general gaming internet himself, Asmongold, has a line that rings pretty true. "Every gaming strike is just one good cinematic away from ending." I highly doubt this movement's going to go anywhere come Dawntrail.
    I remember the WoW sit-in when all the Blizzard stuff happened - people sat around justifying that they would not be participating in any content while they had paid for their sub. They would just log in to sit in the major city.

    Surprise surprise, the sit-in fell apart one week later when people got bored and then continued to sub and play because it was all slacktivism. Shameful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    While I wouldn't consider myself a fan, the bogeyman of general gaming internet himself, Asmongold, has a line that rings pretty true. "Every gaming strike is just one good cinematic away from ending." I highly doubt this movement's going to go anywhere come Dawntrail.
    Alright bet.

    I'll say it again, you don't need healers in launch EX content normally, so it will be funny to see how annoyed general populace get when they realize PF standard just throws out healers and it is instead replaced with 'Stop being bad'. It will likely not last into Savage content, but being as disruptive as possible for anything below it by either not playing, or optimizing PF strats to kick healers completely out of fights is something that can be done. And it's already raised brows before when it came to Titan Egi for tanks, so why not recreate it by throwing out healers instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Giving a developer money while actively campaigning against their design decisions with no plan if nothing changes come next expac makes this whole seem performative. Its why gamer strikes are considered memes.

    I agree with the message and the healer feedback, but not the methodology. Sub if you want, unsub if you want - but going on a full crusade like this while having no "line in the sand" only shows the non-committal nature of it all. We have seen it other MMOs, we'll see it again - I hope I am wrong.
    The plan is to switch to another role. Was that not obvious?

    And they already got some negative publicity from the strike, it's an item on multiple gaming newssites. Companies can (and should) be sensitive to negative sentiment and publicty.

    Why do you insist on the need for further escalating a confrontation with SE? I mean, you're perfectly free to follow your own advice. But you seem weirdly pushy to try get other people to do unsub. With the sideeffect that they will stop being paying customers so they lose an important reason for why they can request changes. You're giving of very strong vibes of a high school troll trying a "did you hear what they said about your mom!!" just for the resulting schadenfreude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    The plan is to switch to another role. Was that not obvious?
    So what people would be doing in Dawntrail with new jobs....anyways? Like come on.

    Why do you insist on the need for further escalating a confrontation with SE? I mean, you're perfectly free to follow your own advice. But you seem weirdly pushy to try get other people to do unsub. With the sideeffect that they will stop being paying customers so they lose an important reason for why they can request changes. You're giving of very strong vibes of a high school troll trying a "did you hear what they said about your mom!!" just for the resulting schadenfreude.
    Just because I dont agree that the strike will be impactful, doesnt mean its trolling. It means I dont agree the strike will be impactful to what is being asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    So what people would be doing in Dawntrail with new jobs....anyways? Like come on.
    People do all sorts of things. I have little interest in the new jobs. And I would be maining healer in DT is the role didn't feel so weak in pointless in lots of the content I enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Just because I dont agree that the strike will be impactful, doesnt mean its trolling. It means I dont agree the strike will be impactful to what is being asked for.
    I made it clear enough that the vibe of trolling is related to being pushy trying to get people to unsub, not about a generic disagreement over the outcome of the strike. Getting people to unsub will only work against them. It's the same irl, when people go on strike they don't resign from their job. And anyone that goes into that with some version of "you know, you should just resign, that will teach them" most likely has a hidden agenda and isn't concerned about the person that is striking or the cause of the strike.
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    Last edited by aiqa; 06-18-2024 at 09:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    It's the same irl, when people go on strike they don't resign from their job.
    No, its really not lol - usually striking leads to negotiation with those in charge because a large aspect of your workforce is now not working and protected from being fired. Usually, unless you wildcat strike - a lot of strikes are done after negotiation to an issue has fallen through with objectives to cause further negotiation/deal making as it will affect the business.

    What is being described is a protest, not a strike. So no, not as applicable.
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    Last edited by Y2K21; 06-18-2024 at 10:23 AM.