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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineFlynn View Post
    I'm so confused by people who say "go play something else then". That is exactly what the strike is intending to do. Healers who are striking will be playing other roles. But there is no point in them doing it silently if they wish for the healing role to be improved. It's important to put your voice towards the change that you want to see in a positive, constructive way (which is mostly what these threads are doing). That is literally the entire point of the strike. I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand.
    People say that SE have ignored feedback for years.
    But during those years, did they still play a healer regardless?
    If so, maybe SE felt that Healers are still in an OK place and said Feedbacks aren't as critical.
    However.. What if people left feedback and stopped playing healers at the same time.
    Then SE would see that the numbers of active healers are dropping while feedback is pouring in.
    Maybe then a Strike wouldn't be needed.
    Because as things are right now, take away the word Strike it's just people switching to more fulfilling jobs while listing feedbacks (demands).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    People say that SE have ignored feedback for years.
    But during those years, did they still play a healer regardless?
    If so, maybe SE felt that Healers are still in an OK place and said Feedbacks aren't as critical.
    However.. What if people left feedback and stopped playing healers at the same time.
    Then SE would see that the numbers of active healers are dropping while feedback is pouring in.
    Maybe then a Strike wouldn't be needed.
    Because we have (probably foolishly) believed that square would act in good faith when they constantly tell us to go on the forum and ask for feedback and because some of us have experienced the reverse (ie the “why should we care about your feedback if you don’t play healer anymore”)

    We’ve been proverbially boxed into a corner here, every decision we make is the “wrong” one
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Because we have (probably foolishly) believed that square would act in good faith when they constantly tell us to go on the forum and ask for feedback and because some of us have experienced the reverse (ie the “why should we care about your feedback if you don’t play healer anymore”)

    We’ve been proverbially boxed into a corner here, every decision we make is the “wrong” one
    I don't think I have to say that Feedback are never for certain that it'll get adressed even if heard.
    That being said tho.. If people list feedback but still play it might just give the impression that things aren't as bad as people make it out for.
    It's not unheard of that people can make things sound worse than they really are.
    And are the population numbers still steady then why put in extra work if things are still going well?

    If people truly are unhappy, give feedback and show it by playing something else that's more fun.
    Then numbers will show that something actually isn't right and the feedback might hold more points than fiction.

    Just a thought I got.


    I noticed I pretty much just repeated what I said before.
    Guess I didn't have much else to say regarding this thought I had. ^^'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    People say that SE have ignored feedback for years.
    But during those years, did they still play a healer regardless?
    If so, maybe SE felt that Healers are still in an OK place and said Feedbacks aren't as critical.
    However.. What if people left feedback and stopped playing healers at the same time.
    Then SE would see that the numbers of active healers are dropping while feedback is pouring in.
    Maybe then a Strike wouldn't be needed.
    Because as things are right now, take away the word Strike it's just people switching to more fulfilling jobs while listing feedbacks (demands).
    I'm not sure what this response is trying to say or add? That healers should have quit earlier? That it's their fault for not having done so? That they shouldn't be using the word strike?

    Players had faith that if they voiced their concerns then change would come and were happy to wait for it. The improvements never came and so they are acting accordingly. Hindsight is great but we can only act with the information we have now, and sadly that information is that healers don't trust that things are going to change for them for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineFlynn View Post
    I'm not sure what this response is trying to say or add? That healers should have quit earlier? That it's their fault for not having done so? That they shouldn't be using the word strike?

    Players had faith that if they voiced their concerns then change would come and were happy to wait for it. The improvements never came and so they are acting accordingly. Hindsight is great but we can only act with the information we have now, and sadly that information is that healers don't trust that things are going to change for them for the better.
    Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
    When there's a lot of different options available.
    Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

    I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
    But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
    When there's a lot of different options available.
    Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

    I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
    But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.
    In the same vein there is there is the concept of stasis amongst customers like the laws of motion.

    Customers will put up with quite a lot in their desire to not change but once you push them far enough they do change it’s incredibly hard to bring them back. Much harder than holding onto them by responding to them when they weren’t moving

    In this way the people still sticking with healers but who are unhappy are more “useful” customers than those who’ve already abandoned healers because those still here who are unhappy have a lower threshold to be satisfied than those who already left
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Simply put, if someone complains over something yet still uses that "product".
    When there's a lot of different options available.
    Does it appear as that person is really displeased and wants for it to change?

    I'm not pointing a finger and saying that "it's your fault".
    But maybe there's been mixed signals all this time since maybe the number of active healers never really gave a hint that something might really be off.
    Thank you for clarifying and you may be right. If so, it just shows the the strike is required. Be it named a strike or not.

    Personally, right now I am on a tipping point. My plan already was to try out Pictomancer as my first job and then level my healers. I will be closely watching the battles of DawnTrail and the responses that healers have to the new kits and if it does not look like there has been any improvements then I think I will officially join the strike. I am lucky that my initial plans support the strike from the sidelines so I have time to observe and make my decision but I will still be paying attention, weighing in my voice and showing support.
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