#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Azurarok]

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who [...] enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy.

You lost me with this line. The current healer landscape exists on top of changes that ruined others' enjoyment of these jobs around 5 years ago, so this comes off as far more selfish than what I'm hoping you intended.

Edit: And I'm saying this as someone who started in ShB. I never experienced SB or HW healers and even the changes made through EW have felt like downgrades to me so I can only imagine how long of a fall it's been for those who enjoyed the role back then.

[Supersnow845]

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I mean I agree that they need to do more surveys, the reason we yell on the forums here is because square never seems to actually listen to anyone, they just pull the feedback from absolutely nowhere then try to retroactively justify it but I also don’t think your idea of “the current jobs all have people who love them so they shouldn’t change make new jobs for people who preferred the old jobs” is in any way a viable strategy as many people want many different things out of the jobs. The jobs have always changed over the years. I don’t want to call you selfish and I genuinely don’t want it to come off that way but it is a bit hard to not see it that way when your point basically amounts to “I like the current jobs so they should be frozen, complainers can get other jobs in the future” because again it circles back to my argument that your opinion on that subject is just as valid as mine who wishes they froze the jobs in HW and now I don’t have a home for what I want out of a job

Job design doesn’t have to exclude one to appeal to the other but your point towards Reiner seems to focus on the need that it does. The idea that if the healers were any different than they currently are suddenly it would lead to people like you being excluded. I won’t say this point is wrong l, more just a little naive given the history of the game

Again I’m not trying to be mean (I’m really not) but your point seems to be strongly based on limited knowledge borne from recent entry into the game and the assumption that anything larger than a minute change would cause the entire game to come crashing down because the game hasn’t fundamentally changed since ShB, it’s not exactly an unreasonable point to reach but I do believe it’s misinformed

[NanaWiloh]

Why do you think the community back in HW was largely fine if you choose to not interact with Cleric Stance?

Expert dungeons/Casual contents? They're not required to dps because enrages do not exist---or exist but being laughably lenient (hello O1N).
EX/Savage? No sh!t. They're playing a content where some degree of competency IS required. This applies to all role. Why then, suddenly Healers are pardoned from... you know, growing better outside pushing their pretty sparkly heal buttons? Applying that same logic i.e. to tanks, all tanks should have their dps buttons removed and consolidated into Flash spam, to generate enmity AND enmity alone - NOTHING else. What about your main RDM? Remove their Addle, Magick Barrier, Vercure and Verraise, turn everything into Jolt I II III and Impact. Nothing else. See how absurd the logic is & the double standard SE have imparted onto the role?

Doing damage as a healer nowadays are highly expected - and is bleeding into casual content partly because our damage options are being made so, so, SO EASY to perform that if somebody fails, the first reaction would be like seeing somebody failing to breath Oxygen out in the park: "How did you failed even THAT?!"

I have asked that more times in my years of playing this game then I can remember. Its much worse when someone fails a mechanic so easy that a 5yr old could do it.

[Verathel]

I'm kind of surprised this is still going on. With how DT has been going on almost want to wait out several patches instead of keep playing and some of the later content looks to be very, very interesting.

[PercibelTheren]

MK4 is just to hard. I have seen all the streams saying DT raids are not to hard and just get GUD, but I have 3 alts doing MK4 3 times a week and I can't get it right .... the phase where 1/4th of the room is left and we have to go back and forth is impossible ... Can anyone provide any tips ..I'm so lost on it and I play healer and when the healer dies it's game over .. I need help. (cries)

Stand right below the boss. Look at her cannon and move to the opposite of wherever she is firing. I'm personally not a huge fan of "memory test" mechanics like that but it's doable.

The mistake I see most people make there is move too far and then not have enough time to get to the other side.

[Rolder50]

I'm kind of surprised this is still going on. With how DT has been going on almost want to wait out several patches instead of keep playing and some of the later content looks to be very, very interesting.

The devs do have a tendency to put the absolute bare minimum into the X.0 releases and then stretch out the other interesting things as long as possible to get to the next expansion.

Gotta keep those sub counts going ya hear

[PercibelTheren]

snip snap.

We have 4 healers. That's already enough for varying levels of complexity. If you told DPS players that all jobs have to be as straightforward as Summoner, you would be laughed out of the room but somehow, with healers, that's the standard?

What people are asking for is keeping a low skill floor (so everyone can perform OK) but a high skill ceiling, so that skilled healers in skilled parties have something to focus on that isn't spamming their 1 DPS ability while waiting for the scheduled raidwide attack.

[OliviaLugria]

I don't think it's a good idea to go back and forths changing jobs' identity again and again... I am sorry you lost your job, I really am. But would it really be so bad to make a new job you enjoy, opposed to making others lose it to make it 'right'?

I remember a time... it was but an expansion ago. They were going to introduce a brand new healer. It was going to heal through dps and have a focus on damage. Oh right... it's just scholar with lasers...

I doubt anyone part of the strike wants to see every healer changed completely. Most of us would like the split with the old and new styles.

Currently, there's the camp that's unhappy and the camp that's happy. Switching all the healers back doesn't increase total happiness.... but splitting the healers into old and new makes a far larger rise in happiness.

I don't understand why your unwilling to compromise. If they actually came out with a healer that appealed to the old school audience that'd be fine to, but that's just not going to happen.

[Ramiee]

Healer never had DPS system to begin with.
WHM had Aqua, true, but it was a low damage skill with a slow on it.
Scholar was sharing quite a Number of DoT with the Old SMN.... it's true, but that's all.

Except for that, what we really lost was support (my Stone Skin )

Well to be fair back in the day with WHM you had far less oGCD heals so the damage system was balancing heals with damage dealing.
SCH balanced moving their pet and managing their abilities with applying dots on the boss, it had a far more complicated DPS system then WHM but this was back when SCH was the DPS healer.
AST was the only job with super basic DPS but that was because the DPS was taking a backseat to its buffing. So yeah I think back in the day the DPS kit and healing kits were more engaging.

[Ramiee]

I remember a time... it was but an expansion ago. They were going to introduce a brand new healer. It was going to heal through dps and have a focus on damage.

The same healer who had double dot in the pre release and had it instantly removed lol.
Yeah real good DPS healer over here, holy priest in wow having a 10x more complex DPS system compared to ff14 is so funny looking back on the ARR-HW days.