BLM DPS

[Turtledeluxe]

I might have explained myself badly. If you add the party buff to the blm, I don't see why it should be first in aDPS/nDPS. It is no longer a pure dps.

And? As I keep saying you are basically saying you only want BLM to be an inferior alternative to SAM (harder to prog with, not as high DPS), with no utility (so casters with utility will always be preferred to them). I am asking why we cannot position BLM to be more desirable, and you cannot answer it except to say that I am imagining that it is undesirable. So I suppose we just have to disagree.

It doesn't break any balance.

So why have you and other people been arguing with me, sometimes to an insulting degree (no in your case), that BLM just can't have any more DPS? I don't understand. Doing equal to or more DPS than SAM either means nerfing SAM a bit or buffing BLM (and technically either way, it's a buff for BLM). On the other hand we can't give BLM utility. Again I am asking, are you telling me the best case for BLM you can come up with is its current state, where it is an inferior DPS option and void utility option?

But this applies to all dps.

You are willfully denying that a DPS with utility has an edge.

A static may prefer whether to have more ress and choose an RDM, or have more dps like a melee and then choose a BLM. And a static may consider having a BLM in team instead of a melee (since the BLM has broken the caster rDPS barrier). You say that the ress is a free pass to get the spot, but in general that's not the case: it's a great way not to reset immediately during the mechanics prog but its true usefulness ends there.

Ah, now we are downplaying res, of course. So why don't we make Summoners top DPS and make BLM a res/DPS class? No one would want that because Summoners love the spot they're in right now, gameplay issues aside. Again, conversation will go no where because your interest is keeping things the same. I think the game should be updated, often. Also I already said that res is not necessarily a free pass, but denying that utility isn't valued in raids over a selfish DPS is dishonest. I don't want to sound mean but it's not even a conversation you're having in good faith.

But the concept is even more general: why should I have a dps in party that doesn't do dps?

What are you talking about? RDM and SMN are not top DPS yet are highly desirable. BLM does not need to be a selfish DPS-- it simply is one by design (of the developers), and not an ideal one, based on your own arguments presented here.

So, in conclusion, I remain unconvinced that the thread has been satisfactorily answered.
"BLM does enough DPS to clear" -- yes and SAM does more, with more efficiency.
"BLM competes with melee" -- and? Let's be honest, they don't compete for the caster spot if meta is a concern for the party.
"BLM can't have utility, other casters have that" -- then homogenize all the casters as moderate DPS/ moderate utility each with their own unique utility. It isn't that hard. Homogenization seems to be their thing anyway.

Or we could just do what is the most simple and makes the most sense, and buff BLM /nerf SAM, which is what the very post asks, that people have dismissed so much.

[Ggwppino]

And? As I keep saying you are basically saying you only want BLM to be an inferior alternative to SAM (harder to prog with, not as high DPS), with no utility (so casters with utility will always be preferred to them). I am asking why we cannot position BLM to be more desirable, and you cannot answer it except to say that I am imagining that it is undesirable. So I suppose we just have to disagree.

I'm of the opinion that if you increase the damage to the BLM it's for pure satisfaction in seeing the parse. If sqe boosts it, I don't pull my hair out, because I'm not against its boost, but I just find it useless.

You are willfully denying that a DPS with utility has an edge.

No I'm not denying it, I'm just sizing it up. because the considerations that statics make are also these: am I interested in having the ress or having more damage? So clearly having a utility is an advantage, but also having more damage it is. If the blm had the same damage as the rdm then I would agree with you but it doesn't.

[Turtledeluxe]

I'm of the opinion that if you increase the damage to the BLM it's for pure satisfaction in seeing the parse. If sqe boosts it, I don't pull my hair out, because I'm not against its boost, but I just find it useless.

I'm of the opinion that boosting it would mean more people play the class, more people participate in Savage/Ultimate with the class, instead of being an "experts only club". And I'm not saying that because I personally suck at the class-- I actually find it easy to play. The reason I began thinking about utility in the first place is because if I am the last to survive in a party, I can't res anyone, so my high DPS is effectively useless for completing the fight (depending on the situation) as a BLM cannot sustain prolonged damage on the level of say, a WAR, or any melee with self healing. BLM has a single defensive measure with a long recast. I'm of the opinion that if you've mastered BLM to the point where you can have high DPS in an Ultimate fight, you deserve to be rewarded with at minimum equivalent DPS to whoever the number 1 spot is.

No I'm not denying it, I'm just sizing it up. because the considerations that statics make are also these: am I interested in having the ress or having more damage? So clearly having a utility is an advantage, but also having more damage it is. If the blm had the same damage as the rdm then I would agree with you but it doesn't.

Yes and I think data shows us over time, they choose utility. Unless I am misunderstanding and I am happy to be corrected.

[Ggwppino]

I'm of the opinion that boosting it would mean more people play the class, more people participate in Savage/Ultimate with the class, instead of being an "experts only club".

If we take any caster with the same damage percentile, the blm would still be in the lead, because it already basically does more damage.

I'm of the opinion that if you've mastered BLM to the point where you can have high DPS in an Ultimate fight, you deserve to be rewarded with at minimum equivalent DPS to whoever the number 1 spot is.

Do you see that it's just out of satisfaction of seeing a high number on a third-party site? I'm totally fine with that, but that doesn't gain the blm anything on a practical level. The last buff did, but an additional buff would not change the situation it is in now at all, it would just reconfirm it

Yes and I think data shows us over time, they choose utility. Unless I am misunderstanding and I am happy to be corrected.

Old smn. the old summoner had ress, but was played by few people, and was (with regret) revisited.