#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[BunnyQueen]

I'm very confused. You seem to be referencing a very, very specific part of a very, very specific fight as an attempted response to my comment about the general flow of playing a healer in typical DF parties. The graphic I referenced was showing the variety of DPS spells healers had in the past and the more complicated DPS rotation compared to now. It was trying to imply that playing a healer without a complicated DPS rotation is now extremely simple, while ignoring that in typical DF content with typical players, there's a significant amount of "unnecessary" damage being taken either by standing in the wrong places, not using mitigation at ideal times, etc., the end result of which is of course a spell sequence that also includes a regular mixture of healing spells. This isn't about what top-tier players do in top-tier content; it's about what the typical player experiences on a day-to-day basis.



It's exactly the latter. People in general are more likely to "speak up" when they have a complaint compared to when they're happy, and this forum itself has been an echo chamber of negativity for virtually its entire existence. What you see here doesn't reflect the reality in-game. I think the best example I've seen is Living Memory - if you read this forum, you'd see posts bashing the zone getting dozens of upvotes and could easily think that's the general perception...yet swing on over to YT, and there's positive comments about how much people enjoyed the zone and found it meaningful getting around a thousand upvotes. If you let this forum be the entirety of your viewpoint, you'd come to a very inaccurate conclusion about how the playerbase as a whole truly feels.



No, they don't pull it "from absolutely nowhere." They pull it from a variety of sources we as random players simply don't have access to. The dev team has a veritable ton of data and engagement metrics to pore over that we don't have.

You say that but healer complaints about the lack of healing all the time in game, they keep it out of NN and local chat because so many jerks jump on them for bringing it up. But most people who love the role of healing in MMOs though gave up and moved on be it to other roles or other games. So no this forum isn't alone in the opinion. Healers just gave up hope that square enix gives a crap about what healers want and need a long time ago.

[Aravell]

You say that but healer complaints about the lack of healing all the time in game, they keep it out of NN and local chat because so many jerks jump on them for bringing it up. But most people who love the role of healing in MMOs though gave up and moved on be it to other roles or other games. So no this forum isn't alone in the opinion. Healers just gave up hope that square enix gives a crap about what healers want and need a long time ago.

So many people keep saying that "Healing is fun in regular content with players who get hit by everything and don't know how to play their job properly!", but that's precisely the point, why does the healer role only get fun when everyone else doesn't know what's going on and are running around like headless chickens?

Even in the hardest content in the game right now, there's still no need for healing most of the time. Something's wrong when 6/8 players playing perfectly means 2/8 players don't get to have fun.

[Connor]

So many people keep saying that "Healing is fun in regular content with players who get hit by everything and don't know how to play their job properly!", but that's precisely the point, why does the healer role only get fun when everyone else doesn't know what's going on and are running around like headless chickens?


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Even before that, where are they finding these players and how do I transfer to that server? Because the majority of parties I get in normal content do mechanics so well that any enjoyment I’d get from actually healing them is sucked into the void, because they never take any damage lol. Maybe I’m just ultra lucky or something but I’d say like 7/10 players I see do mechanics almost completely perfectly. Like, annoyingly so. Please people, all I’m asking for is that you take a couple hits directly to the face so I can justify doing something that isn’t half-hearted ground slapping, throwing magic firecrackers, or encircling the enemy in angry dark triangles once every 30 seconds lol. Like even during trash pulls in experts I constantly have to dump Aetherflow into 3 energy drains because I have no need for Aetherflow heals and Recitation+Excogitation deals with pretty much any damage to the tank

[Lorika]

And to boot, it's not even fun at all to heal bad party.
Because you do everything in emergency mode, and if you fail to keep them alive you get sometime some nasty comment.

[Alice_Rivers]

Even before that, where are they finding these players and how do I transfer to that server?

Until recently I found that the Moogle server was routinely producing the worst tanks I had to heal, often appearing to not know what a mitigation was and/or having entire gear slots empty. Unfortunately I've been in short supply of such tanks since DT.

[Lorika]

Until recently I found that the Moogle server was routinely producing the worst tanks I had to heal, often appearing to not know what a mitigation was and/or having entire gear slots empty. Unfortunately I've been in short supply of such tanks since DT.

Then your lucky, because i get them often on Chaos DC XD

[ForsakenRoe]

I'm very confused. You seem to be referencing a very, very specific part of a very, very specific fight as an attempted response to my comment about the general flow of playing a healer in typical DF parties. The graphic I referenced was showing the variety of DPS spells healers had in the past and the more complicated DPS rotation compared to now. It was trying to imply that playing a healer without a complicated DPS rotation is now extremely simple, while ignoring that in typical DF content with typical players, there's a significant amount of "unnecessary" damage being taken either by standing in the wrong places, not using mitigation at ideal times, etc., the end result of which is of course a spell sequence that also includes a regular mixture of healing spells. This isn't about what top-tier players do in top-tier content; it's about what the typical player experiences on a day-to-day basis.

Yes, you're right, there are mistakes in 'normal' parties, and you have to cast healing actions on people because they unexpectedly stand in danger sometimes. But you're also wrong, because the picture shows the opener, and my example is just one of... pretty much any fight in the game, where there is no damage for the first 20-25 seconds of the fight beyond a customary raidwide. M4S is the same, P12S is the same, etc etc, the 'haha here's a raidwide to burn your prepull shields' has been a thing for years in raids, to the point where it's kind of a surprise if the boss does something else first (e.g. opening with a tankbuster). The 'healing actions' you're on about, even in a breakdown of a 'typical fight' as you put it, wouldn't feature on those pictures either way, because the healing simply isn't needed at the point in the fight that the pictures depict (unless someone somehow stands in the death wall at 15s in). With incredibly few exceptions (so few none come to mind), the given boss literally does not do anything that would warrant you needing to heal, there is nothing for players to 'oops I stood in the orange' with, or 'miss mitigation on', in the timeframe the pictures show. The opener is just the opener, and what happens in each fight beyond what is depicted in those pictures can vary. Sometimes spot healing is needed cos someone stood in bad, sometimes you deviate from the rotation slightly to have your DOT refreshes line up with movement a little better, etc. But you're trying to imply that something was 'hidden' from the viewer, with nefarious intent, when that's not at all what is going on

The only way to have 'healing actions' shown on these opener diagrams, is by being in Savage and having a party that refuses to use any other mitigations (so you have to Fey Illumination/Soil/Seraph as well as the Deploy), which is already bad vibes, or that you're simply pressing healing actions when it just isn't needed (e.g. trying for 100% Medica3 uptime).

edit: I now remember that there are fights that open with 'your HP is now 1, heal to remove this Doom', such as Seat of Sacrifice. They should do that more often. Setting your HP to 1, I mean. SB had like 3 different raids that did it (White Hole, Heartless Archangel, Charybdis in O11S). Especially now that SCH can cosplay a WHM with Seraphism (so they can spit out 520p of healing every GCD via ET spam) and SGE has Pneuma/Philosophia (Prognosis spam with Philosophia being 510 if my maths is right)

Until recently I found that the Moogle server was routinely producing the worst tanks I had to heal, often appearing to not know what a mitigation was and/or having entire gear slots empty. Unfortunately I've been in short supply of such tanks since DT.

On the plus side, tanks like those you describe give us the 'healers should heal' gameplay that some are looking for, due to the aforementioned... let's call them 'playstyle choices'

[Alice_Rivers]

Then your lucky, because i get them often on Chaos DC XD

I find myself in agreement with Forsaken Roe:

On the plus side, tanks like those you describe give us the 'healers should heal' gameplay that some are looking for, due to the aforementioned... let's call them 'playstyle choices'

I want more of them, they actually make healing fun, nice to meet someone I share a DC with though.

[GrimGale]

"At least you're not boring to heal." Is an actual compliment. Which is both really funny and kinda sad.

Also check Savage logs for healers in the last years if you think the "opener omiting healing actions paints a disingenous portrait of what healing is like in savage."

I can assure you, when you play healer your "most used action" is not a heal. You don't have to make an effort to have your "Most used action" not be a heal by the way. Unless you want to not press any buttons for about 70% of a fight.

[Lorika]

"At least you're not boring to heal." Is an actual compliment. Which is both really funny and kinda sad.

i agree.... i mean, we need a naked tank or crappy player to have something to heal... That just...