#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kiyumi]

To prevent accidentally sounding smart by not speaking, I will give what will likely be considered an excessively dumb take;

I like healers as they are. I main it, in every game. I haven't played as much as many of you, but I enjoy it. I think DT's dungeon design has been a hoot and I love it in the exes and savages too. I think as a healer, the mental strain is much higher than as a DPS since you've to watch everyone for mistakes and track all the HP bars etc, and I would not want a more complex DPS rotation for that reason. It'd overwhelm me and chase me out of the job.

I love seeing RDMs or Summoners in my party, because they don't infringe on my core role (keeping people alive) while giving me a much-appreciated security -- It's okay if I make a mistake and die, I won't be a burden on the entire party by going in blind or doing content I don't remember. Thank you for existing, Res Mages.

I wish everyone had some slow res for that reason - no swift res, just the ability to spend a phoenix down to res on a 10 second cast timer or so in case a healer messed up a mech and everyone else is fine.



Now -- I agree they should give us more to do when with good parties. With bad parties, I am always busy. Good parties can be boring. I also think WAR is a bit of an issue - I dont think they need a nerf (there's people who can only play WAR as they can't track mechanics for one reason or another. Please remember them!) but I think there needs to be a clear mech to prevent WARs from soloing bosses.

Solution? More frequent stack markers. Too much so for WAR's invuln.

This also gives healers much more to do. But you know, now we get a different problem. It's going to raise toxicity a lot if a non-healing healer (which very much exists) means a party cannot possibly pass content. My suggestion would be either, 1. Giving some sort of method of reducing how hard a stack marker hits (a difficult, unexplained mech maybe?) or making sure every DPS has some sort of shield that if used correctly is /just/ enough for DPS to stay alive (but at the cost of them doing damage - making it /better/ to have a healer around for this).

Moving on.


So I enjoy this job. Am I alone? Maybe all the healers are mad, but I think actually, the ones going on the forum are probably the unhappy ones and the happy ones are quietly enjoying this game and expansion.

Does that invalidate the complaints? No! But, I would like to say this--

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who may be dumb like me and enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy. If we're getting a more complex DPS healer, please consider making this a new job for next expansion, and keeping the current healers feeling exactly as they are. I don't think it's very fair to take something some enjoy and change it to the point they don't, for the benefit of other people.


But on the other hand, maybe people like me don't belong in this game.

[Supersnow845]

So I enjoy this job. Am I alone? Maybe all the healers are mad, but I think actually, the ones going on the forum are probably the unhappy ones and the happy ones are quietly enjoying this game and expansion.

Does that invalidate the complaints? No! But, I would like to say this--

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who may be dumb like me and enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy. If we're getting a more complex DPS healer, please consider making this a new job for next expansion, and keeping the current healers feeling exactly as they are. I don't think it's very fair to take something some enjoy and change it to the point they don't, for the benefit of other people.


But on the other hand, maybe people like me don't belong in this game.

Your last point about “if they want to make a more complex healer it should be a new job leaving the current healers as they are” is exactly the argument we are using for why they should make AST and SCH complex again because they used to be complex and got lobotomised. Just as you don’t want your current jobs changed because you like them we didn’t like our old healers changed because we like them

If they are going to fix healers I 100% want SCH to be one of the main beneficiaries of it because SCH was always the most complex healer and I want that back

[Kiyumi]

Your last point about “if they want to make a more complex healer it should be a new job leaving the current healers as they are” is exactly the argument we are using for why they should make AST and SCH complex again because they used to be complex and got lobotomised. Just as you don’t want your current jobs changed because you like them we didn’t like our old healers changed because we like them

If they are going to fix healers I 100% want SCH to be one of the main beneficiaries of it because SCH was always the most complex healer and I want that back

So what about all the people who love the new healers and have mained it? I know someone who's been maining SCH for a few years now and loves it very much. They should all get lost because they're having fun with what SE did with it?

I don't think it's a good idea to go back and forths changing jobs' identity again and again... I am sorry you lost your job, I really am. But would it really be so bad to make a new job you enjoy, opposed to making others lose it to make it 'right'?

[Supersnow845]

So what about all the people who love the new healers and have mained it? I know someone who's been maining SCH for a few years now and loves it very much. They should all get lost because they're having fun with what SE did with it?

I don't think it's a good idea to go back and forths changing jobs' identity again and again... I am sorry you lost your job, I really am. But would it really be so bad to make a new job you enjoy, opposed to making others lose it to make it 'right'?

Because your argument also works in reverse, why did I have to lose my main so people who like it now can have the job that now exists (especially when SGE is so similar to it)

The old healers were distinct, if you made a new job you couldn’t fit all the things people want back from them, what if they did make a new job that’s just “old SCH with a new name”, what about people who liked old AST.

If anything SGE and WHM can remain in their modern form (nobody misses old WHM) and revert SCH and AST,

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who may be dumb like me and enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy. If we're getting a more complex DPS healer, please consider making this a new job for next expansion, and keeping the current healers feeling exactly as they are. I don't think it's very fair to take something some enjoy and change it to the point they don't, for the benefit of other people.

But on the other hand, maybe people like me don't belong in this game.

Here's the thing though. If such player can't handle their dps buttons, then they should focus on their primary job: healing. Fullstop. That's what they are there for. Stop thinking about wanting to dps - heal first, dps second. Bad healers CANNOT/WILL FAIL to fulfill this requirement. As it is now, 1 button spam does not stop people for being bad at their primary job or outright ignoring their 1 button dps. What makes one think a more complex (not MNK/BLM/PCT complexity mind you) damage options would prevent them from.... y'know... healing? An entirely different action vs dpsing?

[Kiyumi]

Because your argument also works in reverse, why did I have to lose my main so people who like it now can have the job that now exists (especially when SGE is so similar to it)

The old healers were distinct, if you made a new job you couldn’t fit all the things people want back from them, what if they did make a new job that’s just “old SCH with a new name”, what about people who liked old AST.

If anything SGE and WHM can remain in their modern form (nobody misses old WHM) and revert SCH and AST,

It can, and I agree they shouldn't have. But I don't think two wrongs make a right, personally...

I also think these forum topics are a horrible thing to listen to. I don't think happy people are as likely to browse them. I'd prefer if instead of listening to any take on their forums, they did surveys targeted at current players (x% of their last dungeons being a role -> for that role) asking what /they/ want. Only 2-3%ish of a community has to love a job enough to main it for the job to be very successful, yet this community can easily show only that 80% of the community hates a job and wants to see it changed, which I think is a pointless metric. There's a lot of jobs for a reason. I think listening to the wrong people causes these changes to change in ways that ruined it for you to begin with, and I think listening to this will do the exact same, just to others... Is it our turn again, after?

Here's the thing though. If such player can't handle their dps buttons, then they should focus on their primary job: healing. Fullstop. That's what they are there for. Stop thinking about wanting to dps - heal first, dps second. Bad healers CANNOT/WILL FAIL to fulfill this requirement. As it is now, 1 button spam does not stop people for being bad at their primary job or outright ignoring their 1 button dps. What makes one think a more complex (not MNK/BLM/PCT complexity mind you) damage options would prevent them from.... y'know... healing? An entirely different action vs dpsing?

Healers are in part judged by their damage, and with enrages etc... Simply put, your methodology would likely cut said bad healers out of expert dungeons, extremes, savages etc. Right now, since it's simple, even idiots like me can keep up healing those.

I am not saying we should be able to, as I said originally, maybe people like me shouldn't have a place in this game, smashing our silly little heads against content you people probably find laughably easy. Just sharing my perspective anyhow, unwelcome as it may be.

But raising the skill cap /does/ have a cost, people absolutely expect you to perform similarly than others, and raising the maximum does raise the expectation. I already get comments about that sort of thing sometimes as-is, so yeah, I'm not too eager for dumping more requirements on me...

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]Healers are in part judged by their damage, and with enrages etc... Simply put, your methodology would likely cut said bad healers out of expert dungeons, extremes, savages etc. Right now, since it's simple, even idiots like me can keep up healing those.

I am not saying we should be able to, as I said originally, maybe people like me shouldn't have a place in this game, smashing our silly little heads against content you people probably find laughably easy. Just sharing my perspective anyhow, unwelcome as it may be.

But raising the skill cap /does/ have a cost, people absolutely expect you to perform similarly than others, and raising the maximum does raise the expectation. I already get comments about that sort of thing sometimes as-is, so yeah, I'm not too eager for dumping more requirements on me...

Why do you think the community back in HW was largely fine if you choose to not interact with Cleric Stance?

Expert dungeons/Casual contents? They're not required to dps because enrages do not exist---or exist but being laughably lenient (hello O1N).
EX/Savage? No sh!t. They're playing a content where some degree of competency IS required. This applies to all role. Why then, suddenly Healers are pardoned from... you know, growing better outside pushing their pretty sparkly heal buttons? Applying that same logic i.e. to tanks, all tanks should have their dps buttons removed and consolidated into Flash spam, to generate enmity AND enmity alone - NOTHING else. What about your main RDM? Remove their Addle, Magick Barrier, Vercure and Verraise, turn everything into Jolt I II III and Impact. Nothing else. See how absurd the logic is & the double standard SE have imparted onto the role?

Doing damage as a healer nowadays are highly expected - and is bleeding into casual content partly because our damage options are being made so, so, SO EASY to perform that if somebody fails, the first reaction would be like seeing somebody failing to breath Oxygen out in the park: "How did you failed even THAT?!"

[NanaWiloh]

Why do you think the community back in HW was largely fine if you choose to not interact with Cleric Stance?

Expert dungeons/Casual contents? They're not required to dps because enrages do not exist---or exist but being laughably lenient (hello O1N).
EX/Savage? No sh!t. They're playing a content where some degree of competency IS required. This applies to all role. Why then, suddenly Healers are pardoned from... you know, growing better outside pushing their pretty sparkly heal buttons? Applying that same logic i.e. to tanks, all tanks should have their dps buttons removed and consolidated into Flash spam, to generate enmity AND enmity alone - NOTHING else. What about your main RDM? Remove their Addle, Magick Barrier, Vercure and Verraise, turn everything into Jolt I II III and Impact. Nothing else. See how absurd the logic is & the double standard SE have imparted onto the role?

Doing damage as a healer nowadays are highly expected - and is bleeding into casual content partly because our damage options are being made so, so, SO EASY to perform that if somebody fails, the first reaction would be like seeing somebody failing to breath Oxygen out in the park: "How did you failed even THAT?!"

I have asked that more times in my years of playing this game then I can remember. Its much worse when someone fails a mechanic so easy that a 5yr old could do it.

[Supersnow845]

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I mean I agree that they need to do more surveys, the reason we yell on the forums here is because square never seems to actually listen to anyone, they just pull the feedback from absolutely nowhere then try to retroactively justify it but I also don’t think your idea of “the current jobs all have people who love them so they shouldn’t change make new jobs for people who preferred the old jobs” is in any way a viable strategy as many people want many different things out of the jobs. The jobs have always changed over the years. I don’t want to call you selfish and I genuinely don’t want it to come off that way but it is a bit hard to not see it that way when your point basically amounts to “I like the current jobs so they should be frozen, complainers can get other jobs in the future” because again it circles back to my argument that your opinion on that subject is just as valid as mine who wishes they froze the jobs in HW and now I don’t have a home for what I want out of a job

Job design doesn’t have to exclude one to appeal to the other but your point towards Reiner seems to focus on the need that it does. The idea that if the healers were any different than they currently are suddenly it would lead to people like you being excluded. I won’t say this point is wrong l, more just a little naive given the history of the game

Again I’m not trying to be mean (I’m really not) but your point seems to be strongly based on limited knowledge borne from recent entry into the game and the assumption that anything larger than a minute change would cause the entire game to come crashing down because the game hasn’t fundamentally changed since ShB, it’s not exactly an unreasonable point to reach but I do believe it’s misinformed

[Azurarok]

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who [...] enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy.

You lost me with this line. The current healer landscape exists on top of changes that ruined others' enjoyment of these jobs around 5 years ago, so this comes off as far more selfish than what I'm hoping you intended.

Edit: And I'm saying this as someone who started in ShB. I never experienced SB or HW healers and even the changes made through EW have felt like downgrades to me so I can only imagine how long of a fall it's been for those who enjoyed the role back then.