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    Quote Originally Posted by SubmarineAlt View Post
    If we're talking about actual facts, the vast majority of the playerbase is simply playing the game, logging out, and moving on with their day. A reddit thread and this thread (which is mostly a few dozen people posting to it, so page count is meaningless) are not indicative of the healer base as a whole. Just those that are a bit more dedicated to the game.

    If we want to use anecdotal evidence, because that's all you've presented, personal accounts of others, there has been a far bigger problem finding phys range on Aether for me. Healers are generally easier to find than that magical 1% role. Finding healers is about as hard as it was 2 years ago. I see no difference.

    And queue times for causal content, such as roulettes, are about the same for me. Tank is instant, healer is instant or a few minutes, and dps is maybe 5 to 10, depending on the content.

    You wanna know the real fact of the matter? The people paying the bills, indeed the silent majority, will determine the future of the game, for better or for worse (is always worse). And they log in, do a roulette, chat, rp, etc. They gcd heal through level 100 content, assuming they've made it that far, and then they log out, probably having enjoyed the time spent. The only way change is going to happen is if that change doesn't piss off the majority.

    And, right now? I don't see a way for Square to fix the damage they've caused without pissing those players off, because those players requested that damage. Random crits, cleaves, and mini, untelegraphed tank busters? Found to be annoying, so they're gone. Cleric Stance? Too much effort and they used it at the wrong time. Gone. Having to manage a few dots, like the various aero versions or Sch's kit? Too hard. Gone. Sometimes a healer is better than another? Make their kits mirror each other.

    No, there is a silent majority that are happy right now. To try to deny that is silly.
    Silence =/= Happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Silence =/= Happiness.
    In gaming it generally is. Gamers, all the way from casual, 1 hour/week farmville players to professional streamers are very vocal if they're upset. I've been in the industry for about a decade now and can say that pretty much every developer follows the "No news(complaints) is good news." mantra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolnotacat View Post
    In gaming it generally is. Gamers, all the way from casual, 1 hour/week farmville players to professional streamers are very vocal if they're upset. I've been in the industry for about a decade now and can say that pretty much every developer follows the "No news(complaints) is good news." mantra.
    Except the Devs have acknowledged the "Rivers of Green" so there IS news on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubmarineAlt View Post
    ALL OF IT in order to answer complaints from healers, or to ease burden to get more people to try healer. Because healer numbers have always, and I do mean ALWAYS, been lacking.
    Do you not see the contradiction between "Everything they do is to attract new players" and "Healers have always been hard to find from HW until now"?

    If all they've done did not draw in a bigger population, then the simplifications have failed and the majority does not like it (or the resulting player churn is too high).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubmarineAlt View Post
    You wanna know the real fact of the matter? The people paying the bills, indeed the silent majority, will determine the future of the game, for better or for worse (is always worse). And they log in, do a roulette, chat, rp, etc. They gcd heal through level 100 content, assuming they've made it that far, and then they log out, probably having enjoyed the time spent. The only way change is going to happen is if that change doesn't piss off the majority.

    And, right now? I don't see a way for Square to fix the damage they've caused without pissing those players off, because those players requested that damage. Random crits, cleaves, and mini, untelegraphed tank busters? Found to be annoying, so they're gone. Cleric Stance? Too much effort and they used it at the wrong time. Gone. Having to manage a few dots, like the various aero versions or Sch's kit? Too hard. Gone. Sometimes a healer is better than another? Make their kits mirror each other.

    No, there is a silent majority that are happy right now. To try to deny that is silly.
    We always like to talk about the casuals who enjoy healers as they are now, but have you considered that they'd love just about any design for healers? These people don't care about playing a job correctly, so why should their opinion be just as valuable as each of the many savage raiders in this thread who used to love healer, but stopped loving it when it changed into what it is now.
    And furthermore, even if these nebulous casual fun-havers just spamming cure 1 are that numerous, why should everyone have to endure the same healer design for every healer just because of these players. There are four healers in the game for crying out loud. Why can't we just relegate the one button spam to White Mage, and let the rest of us actually have fun.
    I've yet to see an actual rebuttal to this. Why did all healers need to be neutered like this? (or in the case of sage, born infertile as an 80% clone of Scholar) Is it because people will expect higher damage for playing a harder class? Direct them to the same responses for the people complaining about Viper being higher damage than all the "super hard" jobs. Who cares, just play what's fun to you.
    Remember, this is already a compromise. If I had it my way, the correct place for the easy healer with a one button damage rotation would be level 1-30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Fact of the matter is, if there was some silent majority who simply loved the current healer design, this thread wouldn’t be nearing the 1000 page mark. And we wouldn’t have posts like this:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus..._pretty_rough/

    Where people are complaining about waiting hours for healer slots to fill in PF
    I hate Reddit with a passion, but I got a real damn good chuckle:

    The people most committed to the healer strike is SE job designers.
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    it's undeniable that the number of overall healers has dropped over time because a lot of veterans gave up on the role while we don't really know how many new ones popped up to replace them.
    Haha wait, what? It's "undeniable" that the number dropped even though we have no idea how many people have replaced them? Umm...wow.
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    If an invisible, silent majority existed how would anyone claim to know what they want when nobody can see or hear them? Lol

    Well, I say I have a silent majority right now. They’re totally saying that healers should become buff/debuff support bots. They’re, uh, around . Trust me! it’s not like the ‘silent majority’ is gonna come refute what I say lol
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    Last edited by Connor; 09-14-2024 at 09:44 AM.

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