#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Grann-Goro]

I'm all for being able to work your way through low-level dungeons without a healer, or a bad one. But after a certain point, it's not unreasonable to expect someone to have a decent amount of confidence and competence in their chosen role, enough that the minimal skill level is something above casting Medica II and fishing for Freecure.

I kinda agree, and I think one problem the game has is that it allows players to start learning to heal at level 30 (SCH and AST) or even worse at level 70 (SGE) !
That's not normal.

Imagine a player who only learns to play DPS from level 1-69, then he/she unlocks SGE and says to himself/herself : from now on, I will heal...

I think the game shouldn't allow that. To unlock SGE (resp AST and SCH), we should need to have another healer job at level 70 (resp 30), not any job.

Same thing for the other roles by the way.


EDIT :
Another problem - but I guess it already has been said multiple times - is that WHM (the only level 1 healer !) completely changes in the way it plays as soon as the player reaches level 52 !

In ARR content, WHM learns to heal by casting. He gets used to his specific casting times, learns to manage his MP, and to proc freecure.
(Believe it or not, but freecure is actually useful when you play ARR extremes or Bahamut Coils in "minimum item level, no echo".
You litteraly have no other free heal at this level. Also the piety stat can be useful.
Actually, this content may still be the most interesting to play as a WHM, even today !)

But then player hits level 52 and bam : the game completely changes !
Now the player has the *gigantic* Asile and Lilies, and is suddently loaded of free and instant heals.
And at level 56 : another free heal !
And at level 60 : another free heal !
etc...
And suddently the gameplay becomes "forget your MP and cast the least you can !"
WTF ! That's not what the player has been teached so far !
That's not good game design, at all !

[Kacho_Nacho]

At this point, I would be fine if they removed healing as a role.

It's obvious they can do it and make classes self sustainable.

I'm not.

Just because Square Enix can make all the jobs self sustainable, doesn't meant they should. There needs to be teamwork involved to overcome the challenges the game throws at us.

That means tanks need a clearly defined role, damage dealers need a clearly defined role, healers need a clearly defined role and each role should need the other two.

If there's no need for teamwork then FFXIV isn't a MMO. It might as well be a single player online game.

I kinda agree, and I think one problem the game has is that it allows players to start learning to heal at level 30 (SCH and AST) or even worse at level 70 (SGE) !
That's not normal.

Imagine a player who only learn to play DPS from level 1-69, then he/she unlocks SGE and says to himself/herself : from now on, I will heal...

I think the game shouldn't allow that. To unlock SGE (resp AST and SCH), we should need to have another healer job at level 70 (resp 30), not any job.

Same thing for the other roles by the way.

Absolutely agree! The other alternative is to drop the level (and expansion) requirements and have each job start off at level one.

[lolnotacat]

If they wanna just get rid of the trinity, they should just do it. The only things keeping me here were the story and trinity gameplay. If I'm gonna play a game with a shit story and no trinity, I'll go back to Guild Wars 2. At least there I don't have to work around the bad netcode.

[Ramiee]

Both Ex trials cleared with no healer your strike didn't work. #RemoveHealerRole lets see some interesting solo style class design everyone heal themselves and get to blasting

This is the funniest post in a while

[Lorika]

Both Ex trials cleared with no healer your strike didn't work. #RemoveHealerRole lets see some interesting solo style class design everyone heal themselves and get to blasting

Yeeeaaaahh.... I worked sooooo well on GW2 that in the end, the Meta build the most sought after is : https://hardstuck.gg/gw2/builds/rang...lacrity-druid/

[Ramiee]

Yeeeaaaahh.... I worked sooooo well on GW2 that in the end, the Meta build the most sought after is : https://hardstuck.gg/gw2/builds/rang...lacrity-druid/

i love gw2 support dps split system but this is such a joke. really shows that every mmo system has their problems, though im sure gw2 will fix this eventually.
Though in the context of ff14 being roleless like Lann wants, Blue mage exists yet so many people refuse to play it because its not a "real job" yeah because its designed to be completely solo focused and multiplayer optional. Theres also FF11 another trintyless mmo but even for its time the lack of a trinty system is a turn off for a lot of people, i doubt ff14 would ever remove the trinty but if they did I doubt the class design would get any better.

[Lorika]

i love gw2 support dps split system but this is such a joke. really shows that every mmo system has their problems, though im sure gw2 will fix this eventually.

Oh they fixed it : by retablishing the Holy trinity very discreetly, by giving healing tool to some specialization weapon and making some class more tanky.
In the end the "we got rid of the Holy Trinity" is a failure.

Also, GW2 have a very big balance issue and, after more than 10 years, ANet is still not capable of fixing it.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but WoW is still the most popular MMO on the market. It's more successful than FFXIV

Even Diablo IV has higher active player count than FFXIV.

The thing is though we don't exactly know the player numbers for FF XIV, as they're split between platforms. The only people who would know exactly how many people are playing are Square-Enix but they haven't told us.

[Ramiee]

Oh they fixed it : by retablishing the Holy trinity very discreetly, by giving healing tool to some specialization weapon and making some class more tanky.
In the end the "we got rid of the Holy Trinity" is a failure.

Also, GW2 have a very big balance issue and, after more than 10 years, ANet is still not capable of fixing it.

ill take balance problems and amazing job variety and design over boring job design and perfect balance.

[Silver-Strider]

ill take balance problems and amazing job variety and design over boring job design and perfect balance.

Game isn't even perfectly balanced, which just makes it worse