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  1. #7951
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    FFXIV need to evolve, there is not other choice but.... There is 2 mains problems.
    1) A loud part of the community that always scream "don't touch this, don't touch that, don't remove this, don't remove that, don't modify this, don't modify that"... Even when it's about archaic gameplay mechanics that holding back the game and use threat against SE to keep it their way.
    2) SE don't have the courage to say "Shut up we will still do it" at this loud minority.

    Until one of thoses problems is fixed, FFXIV will stagnate
    People say “don’t remove x” because square has shown over and over that if they remove x they will replace it with nothing and you’ll just have a less engaging rotation to compensate

    It’s even happened this expansion, DRG got a rework that basically removed the eye mechanic off mirage dive and just replaced it with pressing geirskogul, now mirage dive does nothing at all and the rotation has become easier

    MNK got its 2-2-3 rotation removed and basically replaced with “you have 6 buttons press which one lights up” and replaced that lost cadence complexity with nothing

    AST got card complexity removed and traded it with random heal bloat the class doesn’t need
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #7952
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    ApolloGenX's Avatar
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Since they have to balance DPS, healing should just be a function of that.

    Make all damage skills passively heal the group. Give tanks taunt and mitigation... and give all mages and melee rezz. You can limit rezzes per battle if you want.

    This game is about team jump rope and dps.... this way, as long as you don't hit the mechanics, passive healing will keep you up just fine, even if you miss one or two.

    The devs want total control, and healing is suffering. Just ditch it, make it a derivative of something they are much better at balancing and call it a day. The current healing mages can become dps mages with distinct magic identities.
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    Last edited by ApolloGenX; 08-02-2024 at 10:45 AM.

  3. #7953
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    MNK got its 2-2-3 rotation removed and basically replaced with “you have 6 buttons press which one lights up” and replaced that lost cadence complexity with nothing
    I still hate that they did this. After losing timer management, the change in gameplay flow at least gave something to pay attention to, but then they changed it back into EW MNK without the timers because some people whined that they had to look at their hotbars.
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  4. #7954
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Since they have to balance DPS, healing should just be a function of that.

    Make all damage skills passively heal the group. Give tanks taunt and mitigation... and give all mages and melee rezz. You can limit rezzes per battle if you want.

    This game is about team jump rope and dps.... this way, as long as you don't hit the mechanics, passive healing will keep you up just fine, even if you miss one or two.

    The devs want total control, and healing is suffering. Just ditch it, make it a derivative of something they are much better at balancing and call it a day. The current healing mages can become dps mages with distinct magic identities.
    why not make all jobs also mitigate and generate aggro? that way we only have dps.. should be easy for SE to balance just one group
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  5. #7955
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    why not make all jobs also mitigate and generate aggro? that way we only have dps.. should be easy for SE to balance just one group
    Maybe... I am sure there is a way that could work. It's all just about damage and jump rope.
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  6. #7956
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Maybe... I am sure there is a way that could work. It's all just about damage and jump rope.
    I'm assuming that was sarcasm. Having a game where every job is basically an "all-rounder" isn't really that interesting
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  7. #7957
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I'm assuming that was sarcasm. Having a game where every job is basically an "all-rounder" isn't really that interesting
    Neither is just damage and team jump rope.... kind of the point. That bland system is killing any kind of fun or diversity in jobs. It all comes down to those two things.

    That is the encounter design.
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  8. #7958
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Neither is just damage and team jump rope.... kind of the point. That bland system is killing any kind of fun or diversity in jobs. It all comes down to those two things.

    That is the encounter design.
    SE is determined it seems to remove all challenge and responsibility for your role from the game. as long as that continues they will carry on crushing any life from FFXIV. and seemingly gleefully to boot
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  9. #7959
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    I hope that there 8.0 Class update is large and not half assed.
    It really would have if the Devs would communicate more on that topic.
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  10. #7960
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    Dante Ameliev
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    I hope that there 8.0 Class update is large and not half assed.
    It really would have if the Devs would communicate more on that topic.
    sorry for dissapointing you but i dont think so. If they would want it to change they would have done it instead of going with this for years
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