#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Galvuu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poqu6p7F8S4
EX2 too with a PLD tank and 7 DPS.

I was gonna post about this, but you (soundly) beat me to it.
I know people will go "it's top players" or "it's inconsistent"... but I still feel this should be impossible.
I actually went over the log and while the PLD did "sacrifice" himself a bit, casting 9 Clemencies, the RDM only had to cast 2 Vercures (so barely had to deviate from optimal).
It really shows how potent party mitigation is where it basically can replace two healers as long as people aren't stepping in bad.
I don't even think this is that hard in terms of execution, the bulk of the work is figuring out the mitigation plan- once that's down it seems to be fairly consistent, just going by their health in most mechanics.
I don't know how I feel about a game built around a trinity where one of the roles equates 11 gcds in a higher end fight...

[Blixie]

Hello Aravell. I didnt know you had more than one account.

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/wtfdidthatreallyjusthappen?

[Supersnow845]

I’m still trying to figure out if I should be honoured or insulted that I’m apparently aravell

[Ayan_Calvesse]

It's so so weird how the people trolling and dismissing this strike are never healers, always tanks or dps, but are trying their darnest to keep healers in their sorry state.

I do wonder what their stances on social strikes or minority rights are in real life, truly a mystery, guess we'll never know...

Honest question - if you had a more complex rotation but did the same damage your currently doing - would that be acceptable?

[Sharawiwi]

Honest question - if you had a more complex rotation but did the same damage your currently doing - would that be acceptable?

Of course ? I've not seen anyone asking for healers to do more than their 8% of the boss (including raid buffs). Hell, I was happy with EW AST because I had to think with the card systems.

And personally, I'd like if SE stopped butchering every healers job identity to cater to the fabled casual who is stressed about any responsability, and for the sake of over simplification.
DT has made every healer into a watered down WHM (even WHM is the most bland it has ever been). The consequences of this are obvious and terrible, but many people here explained them already.

[Saraide]

I’m still trying to figure out if I should be honoured or insulted that I’m apparently aravell

How will this affect your ranking on the casual spreadsheet?

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Of course ? I've not seen anyone asking for healers to do more than their 8% of the boss (including raid buffs). Hell, I was happy with EW AST because I had to think with the card systems.

And personally, I'd like if SE stopped butchering every healers job identity to cater to the fabled casual who is stressed about any responsability, and for the sake of over simplification.
DT has made every healer into a watered down WHM (even WHM is the most bland it has ever been). The consequences of this are obvious and terrible, but many people here explained them already.

Admittedly a significant portion of the takes I am seeing really gives me "smizzard" vibes which is why I ask. I think the problem is that you need something for the more laid back players to play. As folks running the current 2 Ex's can attest there are lots of healers that struggle with just the healing itself without even considering the damage done into account - the problem is splitting the difference. I agree with the notion of giving healers something else to do during the fights - I cannot help but notice that the amount of Esuna-able debuffs in late game content is pretty much non-existant for example. I would like to see healers have means to have some sort of interaction outside of healing/damage given how tightly FF tries to balance that; thats why I am reluctant to support tweaking the DPS rotation because I feel healing support will generally suffer and open the door to demands to make healer essentially a RDPs that brings healing instead of party utility.

I mean...perhaps WHM having a means to provide mana...maybe making Astro cards have actual impact outside of being reskinned healing mechanics? Stuff like that; even stuff like a KB resist usable on others or some such. I wonder if scholar became more popular because of the fact that it simply has a run buff.

[Galvuu]

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Bruh what. The dev team has, on multiple occasions, come out and openly admitted they didn't calculate things properly/didn't calculate them at all (usually while also gaslighting the playerbase for using "unintended rotations").
I can add even more examples:
- Wrong NIN Aeolian Edge math (making skipping it better, I forgot which patch this was);
- Blizzard IV skip being optimal on BLM in 4.0;
- Bugged RDM mana penalty also applying on the melee combo, making it possible to use more melee combos than intended in 4.0;
- AST running out of mana and literally not having enough healing potency to heal through Gordias savage in 3.0 and 3.1 (people mathed it out);
- DNC stacking on BLM being optimal in 5.0;
- Abyssos 8S door boss being basically unclearable with some comps.
For DT, people have mentioned the MNK nonsense, but let's not forget PCT cancelling Aetherhues under subtractive to get more gauge. On most of these, especially the DT ones, the team came out and openly said it was an oversight and/or mistake. Either SE has no accurate process of testing these things, or their process is so broken they consistently make gross mistakes. This happens all the time, and they sometimes take months to correct it.
You're on some serious copium if you don't think healer numbers being off isn't likely to be a miscalculation/oversight on their part.
SE's balance process is a disaster area.

[Isala]

- Wrong NIN Aeolian Edge math (making skipping it better, I forgot which patch this was);

Which one? Cause there have been a few instances where NIN had to be adjusted because player skill > dev testing.

[Sharawiwi]

Admittedly a significant portion of the takes I am seeing really gives me "smizzard" vibes which is why I ask. I think the problem is that you need something for the more laid back players to play. As folks running the current 2 Ex's can attest there are lots of healers that struggle with just the healing itself without even considering the damage done into account - the problem is splitting the difference. I agree with the notion of giving healers something else to do during the fights - I cannot help but notice that the amount of Esuna-able debuffs in late game content is pretty much non-existant for example. I would like to see healers have means to have some sort of interaction outside of healing/damage given how tightly FF tries to balance that; thats why I am reluctant to support tweaking the DPS rotation because I feel healing support will generally suffer and open the door to demands to make healer essentially a RDPs that brings healing instead of party utility.

I mean...perhaps WHM having a means to provide mana...maybe making Astro cards have actual impact outside of being reskinned healing mechanics? Stuff like that; even stuff like a KB resist usable on others or some such. I wonder if scholar became more popular because of the fact that it simply has a run buff.

I will answer honestly, but the first part of your message comes a bit as disingenuous.

You cannot cater the Level 100 Extreme content to the players who are "laid back", which too often means they don't have half their spells binded, nor anti kb, have 50% gcd uptime or less, never bothered to watch a single guide etc.

There is the need to be a walling content who isn't clearable by people who refuses to improve just a tiny bit, especially when said content is the latest, hardest (of DT), released one. It is impossible to make every fight clearable by the most "laid back" players, unless you want everyone enjoying challenge and difficulty to leave the game (which is happening already for the healer role), and it doesn't need to be.
There are multiple solutions SE could implement to make the laid back players confortable on any content (litteraly just release a togglable story mode option for duty finder), without them litteraly griefing others or whining about the tiniest shred of difficulty, and consequentially SE making the game boring.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, no dosis bot SGE who hasn't unlock panhaima because they couldnt be bothered to do their job quests should be able to clear lvl 100 Ex (not knowing how to play your job in the most basic way at level 100 is griefing, remember that letargic play is against the ToS).


And regarding the healers personal mechanic, there is a million options available. SCH is seemingly popular I would guess because it can be leveled with SMN (often resulting in SMN player wanting an instant queue as healer, and not knowing anything about SCH)