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  1. #5671
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    SoloD007's Avatar
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    Jin Azai
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    Ravana
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Samurai is in all the fastest clears of all Anabaseios Savage floors. Samurai are tied for highest adps job in EW (tied with BLM), and I believe they also come ahead of Ninja in rdps.
    If you're playing your Samurai by pressing mostly 2 buttons, I don't know what you're doing.
    I was giving an example of spamming a skill. Just like healers don't just spam glare/dosis/broil/malefic. But midare setsugekka is spammed more times than all the other skills. In terms of having a high rdps than ninja sure this was correct but I do remember looking through the logs and there was even a chart someone made in a EW patch (I can't remember which patch) but ninja was a tad higher than a samurai (This was data that was collectively pulled from all logs that was uploaded).
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  2. #5672
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    Sure, having fun in a job you play is a goal but having fun in a job also falls on the player themselves. You can't put 100% of responsibility on devs. I doubt the devs wake up everyday and think "hmmm... how can I screw with all the healer mains in the game". Like come on this isn't world of warcraft. So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun. Because there are many other healer mains that is still having fun with their healer jobs even with these new changes.
    Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

    And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV.
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  3. #5673
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    I love how everyone who seems to be against the strike literally doesn’t understand any of the points any of us have made. Like 90% of the objections I’ve seen are normies who think this is all because Xeno cleared the 91 dungeon without a healer when that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
    The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

    But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.
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  4. #5674
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Let me know how do you "spam" Midare & Kaeshi as frequent as spamming Glaroilficosis. Tell me about this super sikkrit technique to spam your Midare 22 times in a minute.
    Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...? Lol.
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    Last edited by SoloD007; 06-29-2024 at 11:13 PM.

  5. #5675
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

    But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.
    Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

    In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?
    That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #5676
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

    And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV.
    I don't design the game either but seem kinda immature of you to put the blame on the devs when they actually want the game to fun as well. Sure you can put 100% of the responsibility on the dev (its a free world), doesn't mean you are right thinking that you can't have fun playing a job just because you spam a skill 22 times a minute or what not.
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    Last edited by SoloD007; 06-29-2024 at 10:34 PM.

  7. #5677
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

    In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d



    That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds
    30 secs is pretty fast in a savage content or higher content. Considering a typical clear fight if no errors and dps is on point is like 8 - 10 mins...? I think by the time you can even drink a mouthful of water, everyone is pretty much almost dead... lol
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  8. #5678
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    The best part about Picto is that, other than the burst window and keeping some stuff on cd, there's no rotation. You can mix and match to suit what's needed.
    It's actually a lot like a light version of EW BLM- like, a bit more flexible and easier because you have no dot to manage and no Polyglot clock/AF timer, but it actually is quite enjoyable to play as.
    So yea, try that instead of playing healer
    At first blush, that is my gut feeling as well. Where was the rotation? My FC mates and I talked a while about it and we decided to wing it.

    Everyone thoroughly enjoyed the job. I loved being able to dash around and splash my enemies with paint and actually laughed when my character pulled out a big hammer and started smashing things.

    Pictomancer is so much fun to play! Pictomancer is nothing like the complexity for complexity's sake job I feared it would be.

    There are layers upon layers there; but, there's also choice. It doesn't feel as simple as Summoner (a job I actually enjoy too) . Best of all, there's no pressure to "get it right." Mix and match as you see fit.

    So, I second your recommendation. Check out Pictomancer, everyone!
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 06-29-2024 at 10:40 PM.

  9. #5679
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    "Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

    And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV."

    Also if Blizzard is doing an outstanding job at their game, I'm not sure why you are here complaining about healing job/roles when WoW seems like a better option to you. Because in my opinion. Healers in hard content are always busy. They don't seem bored at all. So I'm not sure what you are doing as a healer.
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    Last edited by SoloD007; 06-29-2024 at 11:04 PM.

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    Kazzy Delazzy
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    Alpha
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I absolutely do not regret hanging up my healer hat to be a pictomancer main. It's fun and complex and I get to juggle a lot of things without being overwhelmed!
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