#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ForsakenRoe]

Lucy Pyre mentioned our thread in her latest video. She breaks down everything wrong with the current state of FFXIV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQfbShd4bM

Her mentioning how some people are 'ride or die' defenders of SE and the current status quo jogged my memory a bit. About how 'Great Community BTW' the 'GCBTW can act at times...

For example: You guys remember when someone thought it'd be a good idea to make a spreadsheet that categorized how harcore/casual each of the people in this thread are?

[Absurdity]

For example: You guys remember when someone thought it'd be a good idea to make a spreadsheet that categorized how harcore/casual each of the people in this thread are?

I remember that one, and I put it on about the same level as "Creating a stalking plugin because someone undercut you by 1 gil a few too many times" on my "Go touch some god damn grass"-scale.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Her mentioning how some people are 'ride or die' defenders of SE and the current status quo jogged my memory a bit. About how 'Great Community BTW' the 'GCBTW can act at times...

For example: You guys remember when someone thought it'd be a good idea to make a spreadsheet that categorized how harcore/casual each of the people in this thread are?

Oh yeah, I remember. I was astonished how much effort that individual made to discount the posters in this thread. That player had to be mentally unwell.

Oh well...

[Azurarok]

Well, there is now an FRU clear without tanks (3H5D) so that's neat

[Yeol]

Well, there is now an FRU clear without tanks (3H5D) so that's neat

https://youtu.be/8dwozkUeh04?si=7KQYndQFuzwD9Gf4

[Rithy255]

Well, there is now an FRU clear without tanks (3H5D) so that's neat

I'm really not the surpised.
I feel like the people pointing at tanks being the issue with healer design need to realise about 80% of the issue is encounter design itself and not fully issues with tanks.

to go over what I've already said a thousand times on this forum, I do think theirs obviously some parts tanks do play in healer issues such as the obvious tanks strong mitigative and self healing values (with the most obvious example of that being warrior) but I think the Larger issue has always been with the content itself not even utilising our tank or healer kits properly.

I don't think this can be argued anymore as a simple matter of "remove x from tanks" it's we need to actually overhaul both so they play into each other correctly, but also most importantly this should point out that encounter design really should have more importance on role design.

[OverTheHill]

There were some interesting mechanics in the previous expansion dungeons where healers had to heal to full to cure doom for example. Although between that and occasionally casting esuna, it feels like there is not much that a healer can do that the other classes can't.

I wonder if the devs will ever read these message boards.

[Azurarok]

I'm really not the surpised.
I feel like the people pointing at tanks being the issue with healer design need to realise about 80% of the issue is encounter design itself and not fully issues with tanks.

to go over what I've already said a thousand times on this forum, I do think theirs obviously some parts tanks do play in healer issues such as the obvious tanks strong mitigative and self healing values (with the most obvious example of that being warrior) but I think the Larger issue has always been with the content itself not even utilising our tank or healer kits properly.

I don't think this can be argued anymore as a simple matter of "remove x from tanks" it's we need to actually overhaul both so they play into each other correctly, but also most importantly this should point out that encounter design really should have more importance on role design.

I kinda thought the better part of this thread's posters agree the encounter design is a major issue, but I don't think tank survivability is that small an issue either. It really doesn't help that they won't stop buffing them when it clearly wasn't necessary, also.

The biggest one there imo is that Tanks don't have to trade off their dps to pull off their healing skills (with the sole exception of Clemency). It's fine that they have healing skills imo, but they need to come at some cost. If you get matched with a mediocre Healer it's reasonable to be able to help cover for them. It's not so much if they could just do it on the side for free, since that's when they're actually encroaching on the healer role.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Trying to argue which ones are the 'larger issue' seems moot at this point as their ignorance over the year has literally made all these seemingly 'small issues' festers up to what we're seeing today.

Rectify all of that. No quarters.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Well, there is now an FRU clear without tanks (3H5D) so that's neat

I did once quite some time ago say that to some extent it's tanks generally being made obsolete rather than Healers... And they're turning Tanks more into just better Healers, you mostly just need a DPS tough and shielded enough to facetank a tankbuster... The only mechanic where tanks are strictly needed is tankswaps.
Outside of that, Tanks can be a DPS and a Healer, with WAR and PLD being the more healery ones, but they do keep creeping more healing onto DRK and GNB...