#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

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im unsure how you can compare ARR healers to DT healers then say adding DPS complexity is impossible when relative to tanks and DPS healers are rarer now than they were in 2-4.0. The modern design has pushed people away from healers and the boring as sin damage rotation that we didn’t use to have contributes to that. You also say we are excessively raid focused I’m not even going to get into the fact that the other half of the people say we are excessively casual focused. Trying to define the strike one way or another helps nobody. Regardless the DPS and the tanks are allowed to retain their complexity while is healer the one that isn’t allowed to have complexity because it will fail. Healers are uniquely punished for the perception of a bad DF community even though every role is bad.

As for not nerfing WAR i simply do not see how you can avoid it at this point, I did vali with my static and neither me nor the co healer even needed to use a single target oGCD to heal the tank. The tanks are completely self sufficient in high end content. This isn’t just “who cares about AOE bloodwhetting it’s a dungeon” it’s the fact that tank self healing has reached a point of sustainment in high end content. That is just ridiculously unbalanced

[Supersnow845]

Do people see the issue I was trying to point out a few pages ago

Using them as examples sindri said that it’s always good to take feedback on board from multiple different sources and to channel ideas about changing multiple things while striker has said that since we don’t all ask for the same thing the strike is unfocused and directionless and then dimenital is basically just saying put up and shut up

This is the problem with the whole “the strike has an image problem” idea people keep bringing up. The people who oppose the strike don’t even have a unified idea on what the strike is doing wrong or what it should be either. Some are saying “you are striking for the wrong thing” others are saying striking is a stupid concept in general, some think the answer is still calmly talking problems out with nice words on the healer forums

Honestly if people are going to complain that the strike has bad optics or that we are doing it wrong can you at least make up your minds on how we are doing it wrong

[Kes13a]

Honestly if people are going to complain that the strike has bad optics or that we are doing it wrong can you at least make up your minds on how we are doing it wrong

the fact is, we are doing it.. period. we are rocking the boat. stop it!!!!

[Zaytex]

For those who are wondering about how healing feels to play in the latest high-end content. I've now progged and cleared EX1 as WHM and I can say for certain the core issues with the role remain the same (wow, who would've guessed?)

Progging is extremely fun, managing your cooldowns, triage healing and figuring out where you need to put your resources whilst maximising your damage and figuring out the sweet spot of how much you can get away with - all very enjoyable.

However.. as soon the prog is over, this role is fucking miserable. I am on my 5th reclear of EX1 as WHM and I am already bored. I've already figured out how the healing needs to be done, so there is nothing left for me to do now. Just 1111121111 mindlessly and nothing else.

This is what healer is now, it's just a prog job/role. You play it for prog, and then switch off it immediately. In ShB/EW I at least had AST which offered more to optimise and figure out due to the card system and how its healing is genuinely more nuanced than any other healer... but they reworked it, so I don't even have that anymore.

This is it folks, this role is unplayable to any non-lobotomized player in casual or re-clears, just play it for prog, and move on.

[Zaytex]

For those who are wondering about how healing feels to play in the latest high-end content. I've now progged and cleared EX1 as WHM and I can say for certain the core issues with the role remain the same (wow, who would've guessed?)

Progging is extremely fun, managing your cooldowns, triage healing and figuring out where you need to put your resources whilst maximising your damage and figuring out the sweet spot of how much you can get away with - all very enjoyable.

However.. as soon the prog is over, this role is fucking miserable. I am on my 5th reclear of EX1 as WHM and I am already bored. I've already figured out how the healing needs to be done, so there is nothing left for me to do now. Just 1111121111 mindlessly and nothing else.

This is what healer is now, it's just a prog job/role. You play it for prog, and then switch off it immediately. In ShB/EW I at least had AST which offered more to optimise and figure out due to the card system and how its healing is genuinely more nuanced than any other healer... but they reworked it, so I don't even have that anymore.

This is it folks, this role is unplayable to any non-lobotomized player in casual or re-clears, just play it for prog, and move on.

Just to add on from what I said: when I was looking to clear EX1 in prog parties, healer slots were contentious but when going back to do reclear/farming, almost every single PF was missing healers and were always waiting on them last to fill. How could this have happened guys? Why does nobody want to play healer?

Oh, and my roulette queues have already gone back to waiting on healers again. I guess the new DPS button you get to press once every 2 minute didn't change anything, I could have never predicted this /s

[Galvuu]

Today, my wife and I were farming ex1 and, since I'm on that Picto hype, she was filling as SCH (EU pf has a tremendous healer shortage, I wonder why).
Seven runs in, she hits me with this gem:
"Can we stop for a while? My Broil finger is starting to hurt really bad."
And I just had to chuckle, as this tank main filling as SCH, with this off-handed comment, literally embodied the whole issue with healer gameplay inadvertently.

[KageTokage]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

[Evergrey]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

Maybe savage will.
But then the problem still stands for the majority who don't do Savage and people are back to the argument regarding Savage vs Casual players.

[OdinelStarrei]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

It's unlikely. Thought the changes to encounter design were not going to be fully implemented until 7.2?

Regardless, the core issue remains clear.

For those who are wondering about how healing feels to play in the latest high-end content. I've now progged and cleared EX1 as WHM and I can say for certain the core issues with the role remain the same (wow, who would've guessed?)

Progging is extremely fun, managing your cooldowns, triage healing and figuring out where you need to put your resources whilst maximising your damage and figuring out the sweet spot of how much you can get away with - all very enjoyable.

However.. as soon the prog is over, this role is fucking miserable. I am on my 5th reclear of EX1 as WHM and I am already bored. I've already figured out how the healing needs to be done, so there is nothing left for me to do now. Just 1111121111 mindlessly and nothing else.

This is what healer is now, it's just a prog job/role. You play it for prog, and then switch off it immediately. In ShB/EW I at least had AST which offered more to optimise and figure out due to the card system and how its healing is genuinely more nuanced than any other healer... but they reworked it, so I don't even have that anymore.

This is it folks, this role is unplayable to any non-lobotomized player in casual or re-clears, just play it for prog, and move on.

To be a support, is to accept that the game is not going to be fun long-term, or your enjoyment is highly dependent on external factors.

You made the mistake of playing the jobs that are not fun inherently. And until that fundamental issue is tackled, everything else is just bandaids, lip service, or outright lies. As we get more and more gear, we'll slide right back into where we were before.

And for those non-savage, non-EX folk, they still should have a fun job to play. Not that it's much better on the EX end to be honest, I had to wait 30 mins or even longer for healers to fill my EX learning groups this last weekend. And when I drop down to dungeons, I've had longer than usual queue times on tanks (only have GNB to level now), and probably some of the worst healers I've ever seen in this game since I started in HW. Good thing I'm playing tank and can drag them through, or if not, I can just leave for the next tank to get frustrated at the sound of Cure I spam while I do literally anything else.

[Aravell]

I wonder why healers could be gutted down without full consensus going into ShB but we somehow need EVERYONE to agree on a direction in order to go anywhere from here.

Who even asked for this? I know quite a few of us didnt, and if EVERYONE should be taken into account when a change happens, then the ShB change has failed to do so and it should be reverted.