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    Player Venarius's Avatar
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    Celeste Valeria
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    I got baited and went into Dawntrail with my beloved main, WHM. While some of the dungeons and both extreme trials were nice for the first time, when no one had gear, literally nothing has changed otherwise.

    I legitimately caught myself falling asleep while farming the extremes a couple days ago. There's no way I can or want to do this for another 2+ years. ASTs rework being literal dog water doesn't give me hope for future expansions either.

    Unsubbed and uninstalled. After 11 years I can say with confidence that this game isn't for me anymore. Wasn't for a while but patience and giving the benefit of doubt only goes that far.

    So in a sense I'm joining the strike - by quitting the game for good. Voting with one's wallet is always the best discourse.

    To anyone else - godspeed and may you find fun and joy in other jobs, or aspects of this game.
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    Matthius Abysswalker
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    Samurai Lv 100
    I don't really play healer so not well versed in this topic, would swapping some of the extra heals for more dps spells work? I assume a potency rework may be needed if so.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I think we should keep this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
    Quote Originally Posted by os12ispeak View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    WHM’s problem is it brings nothing to the table

    AST is a stronger pure healer than WHM and both pure healers pale in comparison to the shield healers in terms of the type or healing that 14 rewards. Yet WHM has nothing to compensate this. Chunky pure healing is near worthless in this game and hilariously SCH can now do it better than WHM anyway. It has no non damage utility (like expedience or smudge) it has no buffs, its mitigation is weak and wonky and its damage rarely goes above anything besides SGE except fights with a large amount of downtime

    Basically the problem is WHM is playing a different game. Misery being neutral sorta fixed this by making lilys proxy oGCD’s but since WHM brings nothing to the table besides its raw healing power it just doesn’t bring anything to the raid because the style of “plenary asylum temperance cure 3” healing just doesn’t exist in this game

    Medica is near redundant because medica 2 only needs to tick once to do more healing than medica 1, cure 2 should just upgrade from cure 1, aquaveil and bension should just be one button and you could bake plenary into some combo of temperance, asylum and just the default potency of your skills. That frees up 4 buttons
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WHM’s problem is it brings nothing to the table

    AST is a stronger pure healer than WHM and both pure healers pale in comparison to the shield healers in terms of the type or healing that 14 rewards. Yet WHM has nothing to compensate this. Chunky pure healing is near worthless in this game and hilariously SCH can now do it better than WHM anyway. It has no non damage utility (like expedience or smudge) it has no buffs, its mitigation is weak and wonky and its damage rarely goes above anything besides SGE except fights with a large amount of downtime

    Basically the problem is WHM is playing a different game. Misery being neutral sorta fixed this by making lilys proxy oGCD’s but since WHM brings nothing to the table besides its raw healing power it just doesn’t bring anything to the raid because the style of “plenary asylum temperance cure 3” healing just doesn’t exist in this game

    Medica is near redundant because medica 2 only needs to tick once to do more healing than medica 1, cure 2 should just upgrade from cure 1, aquaveil and bension should just be one button and you could bake plenary into some combo of temperance, asylum and just the default potency of your skills. That frees up 4 buttons
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
    Once again

    1) respond to our arguments
    2) I’m sorry I can’t be an elitist raider, Patricia 14 posts ago told me I was a garbage casual. If you wanna throw around ad hominem attacks please coordinate with the other people so you all hit us with the same ad hominem
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Once again

    1) respond to our arguments
    2) I’m sorry I can’t be an elitist raider, Patricia 14 posts ago told me I was a garbage casual. If you wanna throw around ad hominem attacks please coordinate with the other people so you all hit us with the same ad hominem
    We are in the elitist part of the loop again. Cant wait for someone to make the next google spreadsheet about how casual the entire thread is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao
    Quote Originally Posted by os12ispeak View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Percibel Theren
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    I'm seeing a potential problem here for the pro Healer Strike people. They don't care at all about the little guy and are all elitist raiders.
    Here we go again. Can people please make their mind up already? Are we stupid plebs with skill issues who have no right to talk because we haven't achieved some arbitrary milestone, or are we too elite to understand the casual? Which is it? Because it can't be both.

    Also, it seems that not everyone agrees about jobs with a lot of buttons being hard to play on console. Take a look at this thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscus...nd_controller/
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    Also would it literally kill you to pretend to engage with us with like you actually want to hear our opinions

    You came in here guns blazing saying we are saying fuck controller, then suddenly we are also elitist raiders and that we’ve also lost respect of every other player

    Would it kill you to just respond to us without peppering everything with crap like that
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Also would it literally kill you to pretend to engage with us with like you actually want to hear our opinions

    You came in here guns blazing saying we are saying fuck controller, then suddenly we are also elitist raiders and that we’ve also lost respect of every other player

    Would it kill you to just respond to us without peppering everything with crap like that
    I have heard peoples side. I've responded to people who are actually engaging instead of "you troll", "your favorite job sucks zzzzz" or "blah blah blah raiding blah blah blah".
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