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  1. #5681
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Striker proves with quote 2 he still doesn’t understand what the strike is actually about

    I’m already gone from healers, they are dead and buried, I’m a PCT main now because the game doesn’t even ask the bare minimum from a competent healer

    The other roles seem to understand floors and ceilings but not the healers and that’s why I’m done with them. I shouldnt reach my jobs ceiling by figuring out cure 1 isn’t optimal
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 06-29-2024 at 11:25 PM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #5682
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?
    Dw about that. We were perpetually given white robes because they're made of salt. It's given

    Jokes aside, comparing "midare spam" to "glaroilficosis spam" just falls flat considering you just... don't... "spam midare". In fact you even press your Hissatsu: Shinten more than anything in your hotbar except perhaps Kasha. Say if you really do spam Midare, how many GCDs you need to spend before you can execute Midare? 8 GCDs. That's 9 GCDs split into 3 Kashas, 5 other combo'd buttons and 1 Iaijutsu. Ignoring two other Iaijutsus grants you 2.5(?) Midares per minute. Now compare that to Glaroilficosis - 22 casts of them with only 2 reserved for DoT refresh. Heals? What heals are we throwing? Too many normal contents can be healed by just keeping Assize on cooldown, letting Eos spams embrace, Earthly Star on cd, & SGE for simply existing, not including the amount of collective HPS the non-healers can put out. Zero GCD heals are achievable everywhere outside early progs, ults, & perhaps up to regular 3rd/4th floor of savages - what do you think we do when all of these aren't needed? More Glaroilficosis, 70%-90% of times. No other jobs in this game has this spread of button uses so lopsided to one.single.button.

    Don't you see now how hard it was to take your words seriously with that comparison?
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  3. #5683
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
    part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

    I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:
    Those are pretty far from normal dungeon run times... If it was purely a case of heals not being needed, it should be faster than a normal 1t, 1h, 2d run at Min ilvl (dungeons don't have echo) because you're replacing the lower damage healer with a DPS.
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  4. #5684
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    SoloD007's Avatar
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    Jin Azai
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    Ravana
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Dw about that. We were perpetually given white robes because they're made of salt. It's given

    Jokes aside, comparing "midare spam" to "glaroilficosis spam" just falls flat considering you just... don't... "spam midare". In fact you even press your Hissatsu: Shinten more than anything in your hotbar except perhaps Kasha. Say if you really do spam Midare, how many GCDs you need to spend before you can execute Midare? 8 GCDs. That's 9 GCDs split into 3 Kashas, 5 other combo'd buttons and 1 Iaijutsu. Ignoring two other Iaijutsus grants you 2.5(?) Midares per minute. Now compare that to Glaroilficosis - 22 casts of them with only 2 reserved for DoT refresh. Heals? What heals are we throwing? Too many normal contents can be healed by just keeping Assize on cooldown, letting Eos spams embrace, Earthly Star on cd, & SGE for simply existing, not including the amount of collective HPS the non-healers can put out. Zero GCD heals are achievable everywhere outside early progs, ults, & perhaps up to regular 3rd/4th floor of savages - what do you think we do when all of these aren't needed? More Glaroilficosis, 70%-90% of times. No other jobs in this game has this spread of button uses so lopsided to one.single.button.

    Don't you see now how hard it was to take your words seriously with that comparison?
    Even if i spam hissatsu: shinten and those ogcd every 60s or 120s. I end up having to cast midare or in this case in DT its tendo - setsugekka. But the fact is that I have to worry about uptime, DoT timer etc etc. Also I'm essentially just spamming a rotation that I started off with my opener. So it's gets busy and I enjoy it. Although I have all my healers currently chilling at lvl 90, I don't usually play healers and it's not because it's not fun or what not (because playing a healer is hella busy too). It's because I like to play a more "up in your face" style of gameplay. Even if SE nerfed samurai to the ground, I'll still stick to playing samurai because I enjoy playing the role and another reason I like playing samurai is because the real life history and culture behind the role so it has meaning when I play. This can be said to all the other jobs including healers such as white mage, You can incorporate fictional characters from anime, movie or books into it and create a better experience. My point is it not a skill or a button that determines how fun a job is. It's your mentality on how you look at the job you playing. If you truly believe and like the job you are playing then regardless what changes is made, you'll still be having fun.

    P.S: I also enjoy playing DRK and RPR because the dark concept and story behind it, i find it really cool and the job skill animation look cool as well. I don't play as much as samurai but it's like the 2 and 3 job/role I'll choose when I start feeling a bit tedious "spamming" my samurai rotation.
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    Last edited by SoloD007; 06-29-2024 at 11:56 PM.

  5. #5685
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    ryouma17's Avatar
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    Summoner Lv 100
    seems the healer strike was a bust i've had no problems finding groups since dawntrail launched
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  6. #5686
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post

    Also if Blizzard is doing an outstanding job at their game, I'm not sure why you are here complaining about healing job/roles when WoW seems like a better option to you. Because in my opinion. Healers in hard content are always busy. They don't seem bored at all. So I'm not sure what you are doing as a healer.
    Because I want to play final fantasy XIV. And no, healers are engaged the first time doing a given piece of content. Once you know when damage is going to happen you’re back to spamming 12111111111111. The only exception is when you’re in a group with people who are really bad at the game.

    My fun as a healer shouldn’t be restricted to day 1, progression, or when in groups with exceptionally bad players. Healers should be fun no matter what.
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  7. #5687
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    KitiaraIornsight's Avatar
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    Kitiara Utmatar
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryouma17 View Post
    seems the healer strike was a bust i've had no problems finding groups since dawntrail launched
    Because people here refuse to believe they are a minority and it’s hilarious they thought they could impact launch since the 8 man trials are on trust
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  8. #5688
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Because people here refuse to believe they are a minority and it’s hilarious they thought they could impact launch since the 8 man trials are on trust
    Uh no it's been successful.
    Pretty much did what they said they were gonna do and move on to play better roles like DPS. That's all the strike was.
    "This role sucks, here's why it sucks, it's someone else's problem now, I'm gonna go play DPS bye."
    Maybe it'll have an effect on healer quality in savage/extreme PF because a lot of decade long healer mains have quit the role but I don't think most people expected the entire healer playerbase to die.
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  9. #5689
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Uh no it's been successful.
    Pretty much did what they said they were gonna do and move on to play better roles like DPS. That's all the strike was.
    "This role sucks, here's why it sucks, it's someone else's problem now, I'm gonna go play DPS bye."
    Maybe it'll have an effect on healer quality in savage/extreme PF because a lot of decade long healer mains have quit the role but I don't think most people expected the entire healer playerbase to die.
    A strike to be effective would have required it to have an actual significant impact on gameplay for others, just like a real life strike when workers walk off a job.
    While a tiny minority of healers have moved on to other jobs, I am still encountering TONS of healers in my server doing the story and queuing for group content. So no. You healer strike has not worked because it’s not had any effect on anyone. By very definition of what a strike’s purpose is is to stop productivity in protest. A minority of yall are being loud yeah, but even in my server when the “strike” gets mentioned it’s made fun of because we all still have plenty of healers running around…. In short far more than those “striking”
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  10. #5690
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Because people here refuse to believe they are a minority and it’s hilarious they thought they could impact launch since the 8 man trials are on trust
    Nobody, and I mean nobody, did this strike to influence queue times. We did it just to say “healers have sucked too hard for too long. Not doing it anymore.”

    This doesn’t mean we hate FFXIV as a whole, it means we’re sick of our favorite role being reduced to 1 button casters.
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