#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

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How is it gate keeping to say “no other role pushes this skill more than healer” when literally all healers press broil/dosis whatever more than 50% of the time while no other class exceeds 25% of buttons being one press (and before you say “oh it’s because of 1-2-3” the class with the highest percentage of singular button presses when you consider 1-2-3 as one button is WAR at about 38%, SCH is at 67% with broil. We have FFlogs to prove that, there is no “I don’t feel like that’s right” about hard data

I don’t think you understand just how overpowered the tanks are. The tanks don’t have to try to stay alive. They have an inbuilt 80% damage reduction because of their gear. Savage doesn’t even hurt them they just kitchen sink the TB and go right back to being immortal. In casual content they basically can’t die, they didn’t succeed where others failed, the game just doesn’t allow them to fail. That’s a big difference and is causing a lot of friction in DT. You say that healers have a space in the party but it’s all too easy to replace them with overpowered tanks. That’s half the issue. As for “broil broil broil is the same as 1-2-3 mitigate on tanks” I’ll just direct you back to button presses over a fight as shown by FFlogs because they are nothing remotely similar

ALSO ALSO ALSO I USUALLY DONT GET ANGRY IN THESE POSTS BUT AS A DOCTOR IRL HOW DARE YOU EVOKE THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH TO MAKE A POINT (okay rant over)

[PercibelTheren]

Just to put my two cents in.

To get what those involved in the healer strike is asking for is to gatekeep healing.

No, it isn't. Everyone is asking for the skill floor to be kept low and for the skill ceiling to be raised.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

Snow and Shurrikhan,

I really commend your patience to answer to all this non sense. I don't know where you find the strength to achieve that.

Sadly, I already expect a dismissive answer from the other side, in the same passive agressive way they started their posts.

They didn't even take the time to try to understand our points and rejected all existing datas from the beginning in the name of "Since I have fun, you must have fun too, if not, you're bad people".

[Kes13a]

Snow and Shurrikhan,

I really commend your patience to answer to all this non sense. I don't know where you find the strength to achieve that.

Sadly, I already expect a dismissive answer from the other side, in the same passive agressive way they started their posts.

They didn't even take the time to try to understand our points and rejected all existing datas from the beginning in the name of "Since I have fun, you must have fun too, if not, you're bad people".

not just bad, but egotistical elitists for asking for fun.

the ONLY difference is, instead of being quiet sheep and not having fun on healers, we are joining queues as one of the two new dps classes, or leveling other jobs. this time instead of not announcing it, we have announced it. just like everyone else. how dare we.

we are horrible people for not making queues pop faster. I am glad there are those that are healing in my absence, it makes my queues as a dps pop faster, my queues as a tank pop faster. so, thanks. the only difference this time is... you can point at us and say we ARE having fun.

[Kazumi_Ametrine]

> Might I ask you why you see people earnestly asking for better gameplay as egotistical and god complex-y?

Out of all the things in that wall of text, I think perhaps I'll answer this first. It is egotistical to ask to fundamentally change the game to suit one role. It isn't better gameplay that's desired, the desire is to have the game changed to better fit how you feel that healer should be, never mind how any one else might feel about it. Sure, let's go ahead and add a full on 1-2-3 damage combo for healers, on top of the fact that we need to heal in higher difficulty content. No thank you. You trade one problem for another essentially. That's not to say that I couldn't do it, I most certainly would be quite capable. But the gatekeeping comes from wanting to make healing more difficult and the end result being, that people who don't want to do it just say nope and leave healing behind.

Another thing about the ego trip is the lack of accountability that strikers seem to have. The bad behavior I mentioned, it's funny how out of that which I mentioned, the whole "tank soloing for 7 minutes and healer leaving has nothing to do with the healer strike" was what was focused on. It does when said healer leaves #healerstrike in the chat before leaving. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and further shows the ego and entitlement that folks seem to have. And there's no acknowledgement of the bad behavior, it's just waived off as nothing more than "healers are pissed." Sorry, that doesn't justify said behavior in my book. That's not healthy ego, that's anger directed at people who don't deserve it with an overinflated sense of self importance.

-Our request is to raise the skill ceiling.
This was done in DT. At least in my opinion it was, I was taken rather off guard by the increase in difficulty for the dungeons. Maybe that'll change, maybe not. But even incremental change is good. And of course things are scripted, it's what allows for the dungeons to be completed in a reasonable time without being crazy difficult.

[Kazumi_Ametrine]

-Have you played the game lately? Tanks can solo most content. People have been running healer-less runs for crying out loud. That is not healthy for a trinity. The worse part? It is faster! Healers have low dps so they slow down parties... [truncated for length]

Ten years and going. I remember protect and stoneskin. I remember Aero III. What's funny is I seem to recall a time where healers were upset that they were expected to DPS, especially in Stormblood. Which of course prompted SE to make the changes that have been made, and now suddenly we want everything back when we got what was asked for. History quickly seems to be forgotten here.

-More than anything it is quite telling you are defending the fact Meteor hasn't been seen in any healer roles. Your reasoning says a lot. If I am getting this right, you see healers and support as being incapable of being main characters. Yeah sure, push us to the background while we make the game fun for everyone else.

This is not what I meant, but I can see how you reached this conclusion. We do get some pretty cool moments, though maybe not as much as it would be nice to have. The saving the raid at the last moment and bringing everyone back right before everyone wipes when we're only 10% on the boss? Pretty great. And it would be nice to see a main character for healers, though I struggle to see how this can be accomplished. Though prove me wrong on that, I'd genuinely love to see it c: I will however point out for those who do have healing classes unlocked and leveled, they do have special cutscenes to recognize your role as one and are called upon as such. So, I suppose that does help with the main character aspect.

I feel like much of my points raised are frankly taken over the top and words are being put in my mouth that I never said, so I'm not going to address them further. The do no harm bit refers to the way not only how we heal folks, but also how we should treat them. Clearly we must have a means of self defense. Being rude, being angry at people who have honestly done nothing to you, and just up and leaving dungeons because oh no, the tank is soloing. Yes it's slow, yes it can be annoying, but honestly, it's not that big of a deal. I'm not sure a 30 minute cool down at the end of a dungeon is really worth trying to make a point that frankly, those in the dungeon are going to shrug off entirely and just label you as impatient.

I'm not going to go over every point listed here. Frankly my energy is best placed elsewhere. But I will say simply this: were this a strike that was conducted in a civil and reasonable manner, sure I could support that. But when all I have seen from the strike is bad behavior (it's entirely possible this could be an aberration and simply bad luck on my part, I will admit), it's frankly going to skew this very badly for me, which is why I can't support it. Some of the points made? Sure. But not this strike. Not with how folks have acted, sorry.

[Striker44]

Remember you are worthless healer mains the strike means nothing. Just play a different role.
Also stop being selfish and play healer you're purposely griefing peoples roles I want my DPS queues to be lower.
Also you're all elitist and not thinking about casual players and also your parses show you're bad and casual at the game so we don't need your opinions.
No I will not be playing healer that role sucks why are you telling me to?

Am I missing any?

You're seeing contradictory things like this because the people supporting the strike are so disorganized and all over the place. Some people follow the "manifesto" and stridently claim the goal is to convince the dev team to make fundamental changes to the game. Others ignore the very "manifesto" they're signing and say it's not about changing anything at all. Even among those calling for change, some want healers to be given full DPS rotations, others want fights to have more damage to heal, yet another group wants the other roles (tanks in particular) to have less self-sustain, and even more groups want various combinations of those things. When you see counterpoints being made to the various contradictory claims, of course those counterpoints will themselves seem contradictory. It's just a reflection of how much of a mess this "strike" thing is.

I'm "opposed" to the strike for two reasons. First, if you go by what the actual "manifesto" says and the goal is to fundamentally change the game, well, I like healing how it is right now. When I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll play a DPS class. If I want something kinda "in-between," I'll tank. I don't play a healer to go through DPS rotations. Now, if the sole goal was to increase the amount of damage being done so that we'd have "more to heal," I could potentially get behind that. But the "goal" of the strike is so all over the place, I can't have any confidence that's the direction things would ultimately goal.

Second, if you ignore the "manifesto" and take people at their word claiming the "strike" is not about changing anything, then it gets reduced to just people with a diva complex and a desperate desire to be the center of attention. It's where the argument of "if you don't like healing...just...don't heal" that pops up frequently in here comes from. Because those supporting the "strike" aren't just switching to other roles; they're insisting on shouting it from the proverbial rooftops so that everyone knows. If the goal isn't to promote a change and is all about just calling attention to yourself, that's immature, and deserves to go nowhere.

I'll continue playing my fun jobs while you can enjoy your one button spam.

Comments like this supplement the above. People who can't fathom that others might enjoy playing a role that one personally doesn't find fun. (Hint: Play DF with random people and you'll be doing plenty of healing.)

But I will say simply this: were this a strike that was conducted in a civil and reasonable manner, sure I could support that. But when all I have seen from the strike is bad behavior (it's entirely possible this could be an aberration and simply bad luck on my part, I will admit),

Trust me, you don't just have "bad luck." Those supporting the strike are a whole ball of condescension and belittling. Case in point - earlier in this thread I pointed out that since DT started I've needed to heal even more than usual. The first reply to it was a "strike" supporter insinuating it somehow meant I was a bad healer, and not one person called him out on it (but plenty of supporters "liked" that kind of response - nevermind how non-sensical it even is). These are the types of people pushing this thing.

[Supersnow845]

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striker this is like a new low even for you

You open your comment saying that strikers bring contradictory as hominem attacks down on themselves by not having a consistent point then you insult us then your third comment is basically saying we are all toxic and horrid people. AND you skipped over like 5 pages where two anti strikers came in and called us every name under the sun rather than actually debating our points

Are you ever going to call out toxicity on “your” side or are you really going to attempt to justify saying “attacking strikers is a okay but also your feelings of being hurt because a striker attacked you are totally valid and they are all toxic” in the span of a single comment

[Sani2341]

Ten years and going. I remember protect and stoneskin. I remember Aero III. What's funny is I seem to recall a time where healers were upset that they were expected to DPS, especially in Stormblood.

Mind showing us sources for that claim?

Because, at least from all I could find, Back in Stormblood there were two major complaints about healers:

WHM lilies suck.
Why can't AST have a stacking AoE DoT as Well.

Neither of which fit this alledged narative of 'people asked for ShB Healer changes' that Get's thrown around.

SB era posts should be pg 80-100ish of the Healer subforum iirc.

[Supersnow845]

I still don’t understand why the trinity is so horribly broken that we are at at the point of tanks soloing the boss being the average experience in a first time leveling dungeon and you choose to blame that on the healer strike and not the fact that tanks are so disgustingly overtuned that it leads to this

I don’t want to sit around and watch someone else play the game for the simple reason they survived because they take 80% less damage than me and they only survived because of that, not because they are a better player than me. I’m not going to leave or post healer strike btw (mostly because I dont play healer in DT) but I understand the frustration. It isn’t fun to watch other people play the game for you. Why is the healer leaving bad behaviour but the tank ignoring the calls to wipe to do it themselves not.

This seems to be a problem with wider opposition to the strike, everything negative that can possibly be attributed to healers is and tanks get off Scot free. Leaving a dungeon in annoyance because the tank won’t let you play the game is far less egregious than the tank not letting you play the game


As for people being rude in this thread, if people didn’t open their comments with fire and vitriol then maybe people would be more civil. How often do you see a striker open with vitriol rather than someone going “just my two cents but yall shit and garbage”