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  1. #4301
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    CStrife912's Avatar
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    Alexia Kusanagi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    All I want is for tanks to have less heals and for the ilvl sync scaling to be better or hard cap content so like in dungeons you don’t go 2 levels above then sync if it’s a 97 dungeon it’s 97 sync. That and just have mechanics and tank busters hit harder… healers shouldn’t really be dps granted they need some more moves they should be spending their time healing but the game just isn’t allowing them that cause everyone else can heal leaving them with the barebone dps rotation. I get the frustration I want the game to be better for you… but I don’t see this strike doing anything lol not even the content creators are talking much about it from what I’ve seen
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  2. #4302
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    The role design and heavy focus on rdps scores does encourage that type of behavior. But at least most healers that post on the forums don't seem to hate the healing part of playing a healer. And if most of the stuff listed in the opening post of this thread is implemented, I assume many of the healers that hate healing will switch to a dps job. But going with your description of those people, that would be better for everyone.
    Percentage of healers that overheal vs barsebrains changes drastically going from casual to hardcore content.

    This is why the healer issue has two different facets (which, while different, arrive at same conclusion as healers being boring, but require different solutions) and why most content creators dismiss casual perspective as they themselves engage in endgame content.
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  3. #4303
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    They shouldn't play healers to begin with. It's literally in the name.
    This is just gatekeeping the role for non-existent playstyle. Barsebrain healers at least are playing in objectively optimal way.

    The problem is that this objectively optimal way is boring.
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  4. #4304
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    Leon Arcadian
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 30
    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    Unfortunately having an emotional outburst doesn't require one to actually understand anything... Oh well at least the thread stays bumped.
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    Last edited by Len_; 06-21-2024 at 03:09 AM.

  5. #4305
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    Loggos's Avatar
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Twintania
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    I suppose the positive side to this is that you can just copy-paste your old answers to save time because you have addressed the same points before many times already.
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  6. #4306
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Diabolos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhold View Post
    Rough sketch of gunbreaker 60s cycle: 20s burst - 1-2-3 combo - Catridge combo - 3x 1-2-3 combo. Is 1-2-3 better gameplay than 1-1-1? Not really. Healers have more distraction with healing everyone.
    Are you seriously asking if 1-2-3 plus burst windows where you press different buttons is more engaging? Yes. Of course it is.
    We're not even asking for something like that. We just want to do anything other than spam Broil.
    Tanks can be distracted by their rotations, and just not do their jobs right too, you know. DPS can stand in mechanics because they're too hard-focused on their hotbars. Why should healers be the only one that needs everything except two buttons taken away so they don't have a chance of not healing.
    Also, what's to stop the new player from just not doing their damaging rotation right instead of not doing the healing right. I know I do this all the time, where I'll get my rotation wrong just to do a mechanic properly when still learning the fight. I already do this on healer by letting my DoT drift.
    We definitely don't need something like Wildfire + Hypercharge that pretty much locks you in to doing that for the next eight seconds. If a healer needs to stop damaging to get everyone standing and healthy again, then that shouldn't be discouraged.
    I'd put an example for what I think would be a good rotation, but a lot of other people already have if you've been watching through this thread.
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  7. #4307
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    Mikael Ordo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    FFXIV player brainrot is an epidemic
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  8. #4308
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    I'd put an example for what I think would be a good rotation, but a lot of other people already have if you've been watching through this thread.
    (To be fair I think those ideas get lost very quickly since this thread has already passed 450 pages. So perhaps giving your example can still be helpful for newer readers.)
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  9. #4309
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    "I agree with the strike but it's poorly thought out because...wah wah wah".

    "The entire point of the game is to be boring outside a tiny % of content.""

    "I'm going to type up my thoughts without actually reading anything in the thread."

    - average critic response
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  10. #4310
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    Rozeee's Avatar
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    Lala Astera
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    Sophia
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    Warrior Lv 56
    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    I get that it is tiring to see the same criticism over and over again, I really do, but can we please have some patience to people that are new to the thread. Yes, the person you're replying to was being rather short, but expecting someone to read the last 400 pages isn't realistic. Tone of criticism is just as important as the criticism itself and it can be hard to support the movement if you don't agree with the behavior you are seeing. I myself am in this camp and that's with me being a very dissatisfied healer main.
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    Last edited by Rozeee; 06-21-2024 at 04:13 AM.

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