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  1. #4401
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    DiznypKC's Avatar
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    Tehryn Alexandyr
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by 1313 View Post
    This is not an issue anyone needs to be concerned about, this is just a big meme for everyone to laugh at.
    There appears to be some big feelings over people making decisions for themselves based on their experiences in a video game. We all have big feelings sometimes and that’s okay. But we can’t control the actions and decisions of other people. All we can do is try to be decent people.

    Okay, good talk. Now go get you some froyo or a cookie.
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  2. 06-21-2024 11:06 AM
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  3. #4402
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    in the short term I fully expect any healer shortage to just lead more people into becoming healers, not enough to make queues not suck but they'll pop eventually, game won't collapse because I'm playing VPR/PIC/RDM.

    it's the long term that's less clear, if they find from playing healers regularly that 1-1-1 gaming actually does just suck we end up assimilating them.
    Exactly other people getting fed up with the length of queues and queuing for healers when they normally don’t only helps us

    If they end up liking healers well the healer population stabilises and we get a stable healer population while we move to DPS, if they end up hating it like we do it just magnifies how many people don’t like healers

    “Get over yourselves other people will play healer” is literally exactly what we want
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #4403
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    OzumaKuma's Avatar
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    Ozuma Kuma
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Even though I'm not really agreeing with this strike or do I expect much outcome before 8.0 where they say they're going to re-examine job identity.

    I am impressed at how big of a conversation this has created. Some of the arguments make really well good points. Hopefully they can interpret the feedback in way we can make good middle ground that works for everyone. I don't believe in making the roles very complex purely just for hardcore content, it needs to work for casual content as much as, that bit is crucial for me at least.
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  5. #4404
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by OzumaKuma View Post
    Even though I'm not really agreeing with this strike or do I expect much outcome before 8.0 where they say they're going to re-examine job identity.

    I am impressed at how big of a conversation this has created. Some of the arguments make really well good points. Hopefully they can interpret the feedback in way we can make good middle ground that works for everyone. I don't believe in making the roles very complex purely just for hardcore content, it needs to work for casual content as much as, that bit is crucial for me at least.
    A middle ground wouldn't be that hard to reach either. Just a couple extra DPS spells and maybe a minor bit of interaction like a proc and you're good to go. And anyone not comfortable doing DPS as a healer could just... not use the new buttons.
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  6. #4405
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    You know it occurs to me that the devs already have multiple solutions to the issues in the game. What do I mean?

    Well sage for example. Double eukrasian dyskrasia’s potency and halve its duration. Reduce psyche’s cooldown to 20 seconds, let me store two charges, and reduce its potency to compensate.

    SCH- make baneful impaction a regular spell, make it last 12 seconds, and (if they want to go crazy) make ED free during chain strat.

    WHM- make glare 4 its own button, give me one use of it for every 3 G3 casts, grant me 3 charges upon using presence. While we’re at it give Dia a cast time and throw in thundercloud.

    AST- idfk.

    Do above and make each fight’s damage profile similar to barbarricia’s and everyone wins. The people who like easy content needn’t try harder to do normal. The people who do normal but want it to be more engaging have more to optimize. The people who want healers to heal more have their wish as well.

    Everything I’ve suggested literally already exists in the game’s code. Literally.
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  7. #4406
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    Stabby-Chan's Avatar
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    Mia Redburn
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Hello everyone!
    Long time since I've posted here.

    I am a White Mage main and I will not be joining the Healer's Strike!

    My reasons are stated below:

    1) History:

    Since Stormblood Days, there have been EoE (End of Expansion) Time Attack tournaments hosted by several FCs working together from different worlds. The fastest clear times came from One Tank, and three DPS. The healer would be exchanged for a Red Mage.

    2) Perspective:

    In order to run a dungeon with One Tank and Three DPS, the players require skill along with gear that is higher than the typical average found in roulette queues. These runs are the polar opposite of "Minimum iLVL" runs.

    Remember how iLvL works:

    The maximum iLvL of the previous expansion becomes the Minimum iLvL required to attempt the final leveling dungeon of the next expansion. The first two leveling dungeons of a new expansion to players coming out with BiS gear and Max iLvL of the previous expansion are ridiculously easy.

    3) Jumping the Gun

    An entire healer's strike was started due to let me get this right, a person who cleared a Leveling Dungeon, you know... the easiest thing this game has to offer compared to other content...

    ..and yet when an Ultimate Clear came from not using Healers....where was the healers strike for that? Oh right! Its optional content and it's a minority so no strike came. Do you expect a strike to come from the actions of players in Leveling Dungeons?

    I know when I have maximum iLvL for a dungeon along with Food + Potions done right, healers can survive Tank Busters in Leveling Dungeons. Does that Invalidate Tanks? Not really.

    4) DawnTrail

    New Expansion brings back plenty of players who want to play through the story. Plenty of work out there for healers. Enjoy the story and have fun!


    If this was consistent among all content the game has to offer and it being super common to not need healers for anything, then I would complain. Not going to join a strike for something that has existed since Stormblood Days among the Elite Community and their friends in both, Type-0 and Type-1 Speedruns.
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  8. #4407
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    Joeking's Avatar
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    Boy Friend
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Can you guys going on strike not login on the 28th thanks.
    For solidarity kumbaya and whatnot.
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  9. #4408
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Stabby-Chan View Post

    3) Jumping the Gun

    An entire healer's strike was started due to let me get this right, a person who cleared a Leveling Dungeon, you know... the easiest thing this game has to offer compared to other content...

    .
    That is not what started the healer strike at all. That was the straw that broke the camel’s proverbial back.

    TLDR: people have been pissed about healer’s ongoing lobotomy since 2019. The seeming absence of meaningful change, evidenced by said dungeon clear, is what caused the strike.
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  10. #4409
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    Ryojahn's Avatar
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    Astrid Aquitaine
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    Seraph
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    Gunbreaker Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Stabby-Chan View Post
    3) Jumping the Gun

    An entire healer's strike was started due to let me get this right, a person who cleared a Leveling Dungeon, you know... the easiest thing this game has to offer compared to other content...

    ..and yet when an Ultimate Clear came from not using Healers....where was the healers strike for that? Oh right! Its optional content and it's a minority so no strike came. Do you expect a strike to come from the actions of players in Leveling Dungeons?

    I know when I have maximum iLvL for a dungeon along with Food + Potions done right, healers can survive Tank Busters in Leveling Dungeons. Does that Invalidate Tanks? Not really.
    It's obvious that you didn't read the opening post. Healers have been complaing for years all you have to do is read the threads in the healer sub forum to know that or y'know just read the opening post and the links so kindly provided to you. So no this hasn't started solely because someone cleared a DT dungeon with no healer but that was the straw that broke the camels back. These people are frustrated that years of politle, organised and well thought out feedback has been ignored so they are attempting something new. Please in future actually take the time to understand where someone/people are coming from before offering an opinion.
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  11. #4410
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Stabby-Chan View Post


    If this was consistent among all content the game has to offer and it being super common to not need healers for anything, then I would complain. Not going to join a strike for something that has existed since Stormblood Days among the Elite Community and their friends in both, Type-0 and Type-1 Speedruns.
    Yes. We have heard this logic. Because something bad has been going on for a while, it is ok! Because it is a new expansion and people will still play all roles, there's no reason to try to make the game better. Because gear makes stuff easier, you're going to ignore that tanks are unbalanced. Because end of expansion speedruns and other challenges occur, there's just no other concerns for healers that need to be addressed. And on and on and on. We get it.

    To be honest, I bet the devs have your post up on their wall already. They're probably like " wow, this player literally knows all the stuff we've been telling ourselves the last 6 years!"
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