#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[MisterNublet]

I think if the JP side were very against the state of Healers too, they'd maybe be more receptive to the idea of 'someone coming in and saying 'hey I've got ideas on how we could fix some of the problems''. But, if the general consensus over there is that there's no problem in the first place, I expect what I have to say would come off as very tone-deaf, pot-stirring for no reason, etc.


If anyone knows JP, or is willing to face the potential wrath of JP for using translation tools, I don't mind my stuff being posted over there. I'm just not at the point where I feel brave enough to do it myself

Last I saw, in this thread even, the JP community was very anti-healer strike and we're against any kind of changes that would improve its dps rotation.

Could things have changed in the last few months? Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. They also don't like it when "gaijins" go over to their side of the forums for any reason.

Also, JP posting criticism on 2/5chan doesn't help when the Devs only see JP praising the braindead gameplay on the official forums.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Last I saw, in this thread even, the JP community was very anti-healer strike and we're against any kind of changes that would improve its dps rotation.

Could things have changed in the last few months? Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. They also don't like it when "gaijins" go over to their side of the forums for any reason.

Also, JP posting criticism on 2/5chan doesn't help when the Devs only see JP praising the braindead gameplay on the official forums.

If I recall correctly, they weren't against #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE per sec. The Japanese community was against the idea that adding damage rotations was the way to improve the state of healers. They don't want green damage dealers.

Overall, the Japanese community felt healers should be more relaxing to play than damage dealers and tanks. I have to say I agree with them on that point.

Our role depends largely on the actions of others. We restore health. As such, it would counterproductive to make healers intricate to play when the main focus of our job is decision making.

[MisterNublet]

If I recall correctly, they weren't against #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE per sec. The Japanese community was against the idea that adding damage rotations was the way to improve the state of healers. They don't want green damage dealers.

Overall, the Japanese community felt healers should be more relaxing to play than damage dealers and tanks. I have to say I agree with them on that point.

Our role depends largely on the actions of others. We restore health. As such, it would counterproductive to make healers intricate to play when the main focus of our job is decision making.

They don't want green damage dealers, but they also don't want to have to heal. What they really want is a role that they can get carried through content on while AFKing to watch anime on a second monitor.

They want the role to be completely and utterly braindead. Which they have accomplished, hence why they're against any kind of changes to the role.

This is why the trinity system is dead in this game and why we now have blue healers/damage dealers and red healers/mitigations, because CBU3 had to give away the healers function to other roles to cover for lazy healers.

Also, knowing when to dps and when to heal is part of a decision making process.

[Aravell]

I think if the JP side were very against the state of Healers too, they'd maybe be more receptive to the idea of 'someone coming in and saying 'hey I've got ideas on how we could fix some of the problems''. But, if the general consensus over there is that there's no problem in the first place, I expect what I have to say would come off as very tone-deaf, pot-stirring for no reason, etc.

Last time I checked, they are actually very against the state of the healer role, the problems they have with the role touch on some stuff we have problems with too, like being invalidated as a role, having nothing to heal, etc.

They do put far less emphasis on the damage side of the kit though. It's not that they absolutely hate having an expanded damage kit, it's more that they don't think much about it, it's just filler, something to press when there's nothing important to do.

[Kozh]

It's mostly because they're being polite because this is an official site after all. If you want their real, unfiltered opinion, you need to go to sites like 5ch.

This. Japanese culture is notorious for being conflict avoidance. I bet a lot of people have the same dissatisfaction as us, but they either keep silent or vent somewhere else.

[Absurdity]

This. Japanese culture is notorious for being conflict avoidance. I bet a lot of people have the same dissatisfaction as us, but they either keep silent or vent somewhere else.

Like Aravell said, if you want their less polite and unfiltered opinions you need to go on the japanese equivalent of 4chan. Although I'm pretty sure that's 2ch, no idea what 5ch is.

[Aravell]

Like Aravell said, if you want their less polite and unfiltered opinions you need to go on the japanese equivalent of 4chan. Although I'm pretty sure that's 2ch, no idea what 5ch is.

I honestly forgot whether it was 2 or 5, I just know it isn't 4.

But yeah, Japanese players can be far more vicious in their unfiltered opinion than anything you read over here on the EN forums. They mostly just keep it classy on the official forums just to stay within the boundaries of the rules (something the EN forums isn't known for).

[Kozh]

5ch is the new name, formerly it's 2ch

[Supersnow845]

Jp is very insular on the their forums. While when a JP person comes here we usually go “more people to talk to” if we go there they basically say “why aren’t you on the EN forums”. I know alot of comments in the JP forums that got progressively deleted as they were deemed to be from people who had no “reason” to be on the JP forums

The one time this didn’t seem to happen was during the character upgrade beta but that was more because JP itself was happy to bend the rules to get more feedback out there to get change. In a situation like this where we are more annoyed than JP they’d at best go “well we are happy” at worst go “why are you on the JP forums report”

[Azurarok]

Had to dig it up but it's probably worth reading through the topic made on the JP boards again (assuming the machine translations are decent enough)

Some brush it off like we got on this thread too, but the discussions get pretty in depth and they hit a lot of the same notes we do, including job homogenization and fight design in general being an issue. Some mention they haven't even really thought about it until then and are inclined to agree with it.

I think we tend to agree that the problems are real at least.