#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[HighlanderClone]

when we are talking about what is enjoyable in a game and what not (and that is the main focus of the discussion). That will always be a discussion about subjective things for the most part. For example that healers press only 1 gcd button for the majority of their rotation is an objective fact but that it is boring or bad that that is subjective. Something subjective a lot of people understandably agree with but it doesn't change the fact that is subjective and that some people can feel different about it as well (that is just an example though to illustrate that point). and because it is about something subjective their opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

[ImTired]

Have you even read to a significant part of this thread. All your objections have been adressed multiple times. The complaints about diluting healer roles have been about mostly WAR, and slightly less about PLD. You should read the posts in the context of the rest of the thread. Don't assume people complaining about tank self sustain mean specifically DRK, they are probably just to lazy to say "mostly WAR, and PLD close behind, and sometimes even GNB, but DRK is probably fine" every time.

And about your complaints that all your points are ignored. You only have a few posts in total, there couldn't have been more than 3 that were ignored in the previous 250 pages. That can happen if people think there is something more interesting to discuss.

Actually, I have read a lot of the posts in this thread and people HAVE been lumping all the tanks again numerous times. I would have to go back 100+ pages, but people have done it several times in this thread. So don't assume I haven't been keeping up. I've been noting the arguments on both sides and taking into consideration what has been going on, but this thread has become so hostile for people that actually came in to try and keep a neutral stance, while pointing out the holes on both sides of the fence, and it just spirals into a mess.

Perhaps if people remained constructive, instead of feeling the need to be snarky, sarcastic, rude and downright insulting other cultures things would be far more constructive.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

That's pretty much just Summoner, those players can have a niche in one of the 14 DPS roles not 4/4 healers

[Rehayem]

some sort of synchronicity between healers and tanks would go a long way

Very interesting shift in thought you got there mate.

[mellii]

The developers should figure out a way so that players who want to click 1 GCD can still merely click 1 GCD while others who don't can choose to.

You can have your cake and eat it too. The developers just need to think beyond the current design paradigm to consider how best to cater to both casual players and high-end players.

With that I totally agree. my point though was anyway just illustrating the difference between something objective and something subjective and not to just tell other people to play something different if they are happy with how it is right now and wouldn't like some changes that would would not be optional

[Varipanda]

still stand by it
it reeks of the type of person who plays healer ' so they can have the partys life at their hands' and are annoyed that its not

[GoodPerson]

Actually, I have read a lot of the posts in this thread and people HAVE been lumping all the tanks again numerous times. I would have to go back 100+ pages, but people have done it several times in this thread. So don't assume I haven't been keeping up. I've been noting the arguments on both sides and taking into consideration what has been going on, but this thread has become so hostile for people that actually came in to try and keep a neutral stance, while pointing out the holes on both sides of the fence, and it just spirals into a mess.

Perhaps if people remained constructive, instead of feeling the need to be snarky, sarcastic, rude and downright insulting other cultures things would be far more constructive.

To be fair, it's a non-moderated , and relatively unorganized"strike". You're going to have unsavory individuals both for and against the agenda who may have varying takes or biases unrelated to the main post who may also make one opinion seem worse , better, toxic or misinformed.

[Pandurah]

still stand by it
it reeks of the type of person who plays healer ' so they can have the partys life at their hands' and are annoyed that its not

omg that is such a basic take - and you thought it was worth typing
please child, read the thread, educate yourself

[HighlanderClone]

I'm so confused as to why people are saying that the issue with healer is not a content/game design issue when it literally is by all definition when you look at the primary complaints coming from healer.

I don't know if people were mean to you or whatever since I'm not reading through the entire thread.

But this point has already been addressed. Please look at the casts of final floor savages. A12S truly did not have that much more healing than P12S. Neither did O12S (the hard ones that xpac were in 4 and 8).

Same healing required by the encounter but much more different playstyles required of the player, at all skill levels. There is only one variable that changed: the job kits.

Additionally some of us have repeatedly said that you had to use your entire kit even in dungeons in HW and SB if you wanted to be optimal. Furthermore healerless dungeon runs in HW was next to impossible on patch, and in SB they were still difficult even with a Red Mage. Without a RDM or a PLD they were next to impossible too.

It is not set in stone that dungeons have to be so casual that you can efficiently run through them without using 80% of your kit. This isn't just a problem with WAR. I've done many GNB runs with 3 DPS, including with casual players. It's trivial.

We have gone from healerless runs in dungeons being outright impossible with almost all compositions to now healerless runs being trivial on 3 tanks and doable on DRK.

Do you really think the variable that changed was the dungeon damage profile?

[mellii]

I think regardless of preferences, it defeats the purpose of the entire combat system. The point of a hotbar style RPG is to have a full hotbar of different actions that you actively switch between. Imagine playing Xenoblade Chronicles, but Shulk’s only action is Back Slash. Everything else either has an incredibly long cooldown, or is highly niche and rarely used, so Shulk just spams Back Slash for most of the fight in every fight from the start of the game to the end of the game. I question how positively the player base would’ve responded to a design decision like that.

true, like I said totally understandable not liking it. My issue was mainly with telling people off to just play something else if they like and that was all I was discussing.

And I think the player base would respond negatively to that. But I don't find it impossible to imagine that at least some people would find it more enjoyable as well. And in that case as well I would have issues as well with people telling them "just play something else" if they voice that they like it. My only issue is with people putting their own opinion as more objective than other peoples opinion when it comes to the subjective parts.