#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Punslinger]

Dungeons and trials are the bulk of the game. Don't shill for certain jobs. Want the game to be better.

Don't feed the trolls, man. Looking at her posts, I've gotta say, I've seen better bait at the gas station.

[Niroken]

The devs have admitted to going all in on encounter design at the expense of sanding down jobs. If they're truly going to be thinking about what to do with jobs by 8.0, it's going to be very interesting to see what they can come up with given their philosophy so far is so totally one sided.

I honestly don't have much hope for 8.0. They said increased job individuality and that they won't make jobs more simple. Job individuality could just be different spell effects and they keep healers at the same bar as they are now but not lower. Personally i'll be keeping a bare minimum of expectations, seems to have worked for me so far.

[Rehayem]

IMO the content that the majority of the playerbase interacts with should be one of the pieces of content that highlights how useful each role is to the team the most, making an entire role feel worthless to even be in it is terrible game design and should be looked at improving.

Perhaps SE assumes everyone will do Savage/Ultimates at one point? It doesn't help they seem more apt to listen to content creators in regards of that, but we have seen examples of raiders also dissatisfied with the current state of healers. People who say it's fine are non-main healers so there's strong (or little) bias.

But endgame content isn't necessarily raiding for majority of people, for some it's crafting/gathering, for some housing... It just doesn't make sense why so fixated on allowing healers to be this boring.

I honestly don't have much hope for 8.0. They said increased job individuality and that they won't make jobs more simple. Job individuality could just be different spell effects and they keep healers at the same bar as they are now but not lower. Personally i'll be keeping a bare minimum of expectations, seems to have worked for me so far.

If YoshiP wants healers to output DPS, then one solution would be to turn all healers into offensive support or something similar. Strip them of their GCD heals, increase potency on oGCD because those would be used more rarely. Instead, they could add support with buffs and benefits.

[Ramiee]

I honestly don't have much hope for 8.0. They said increased job individuality and that they won't make jobs more simple. Job individuality could just be different spell effects and they keep healers at the same bar as they are now but not lower. Personally i'll be keeping a bare minimum of expectations, seems to have worked for me so far.

I don't think anything will ever get better until CDs stop lining up in 2 minute bursts.

[Yurihyuga]

Hate to say it but healer has just been another dps since ARR in dungeons, nothing has changed. I run dungeons with the same WHM all the time and they know the drill, only need to heal me if the dps is crap and trash pulls are taking too long and even then healing is extremely minimal and all of this is based on a dungeon done by some of the best people in the game, guarantee that over 80-90% of groups would not pull this off without a pocket healer around for emergency healing when shit goes tits up.

I agree healers need more but its not healing, they need more skills for dps because dps on healer is boring as hell with very few skills but people that are actually striking purely because you can't heal are not playing the job properly you are a crutch for when shit goes wrong when things are not going wrong you should be doing dps.

Most of the people here complaining are probably healer pures with some people mixed in that knows its other things that is wrong but healer pures that do not know they have dps buttons are a waste of space and I hope you play something else. Nothing really changes for 8 man content either, keep the tank alive and heal raid wides, outside of that dps, Only time you will be actually properly healing in 8 man content is with a group that does not know what they are doing. Don't mean to be rude but this is and has always been the case and it is best you realise it now and work with it or start thinking is this the role you want to play.

tldr.
Changes to healer dps - yes
Make changes so I can actually heal - go play something else please and stop complaining, you are a waste of a party slot.

[sweetietreat]

To be clear, healers are not needed for casual content. For higher end content most groups will probably still need healers since most DPS can't not stand in things to save their lives. So what would really struggle is 1) Queue times for roulettes and 2) Party Finder groups for higher end content.

So you're going to run Aurum Vale with no healer? Dzemael Darkhold? Dusk Vigil? Bardam's Mettle? Doma Castle, maybe? Doing full normal pulls, no stopping in between to take breaks and let skills come back? Easy peasy without a healer. And no cheating using someone like a RDM or SMN (lol) either

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

you are a crutch for when shit goes wrong

Even if they have a tank level rotation, why should anyone play a literal crutch when they could play a real DPS. Nobody disputes doing damage when they don't have to heal.

I will agree with one thing though,

healers are a waste of a party slot

[TheDustyOne]

Changes to healer dps - yes
Make changes so I can actually heal - go play something else please and stop complaining, you are a waste of a party slot.

I don't think you've been paying too much attention then.

It's very possible to both increase the amount of damage we receive from a faint tickle to "wow I might die from the next raidwide" in casual content without overwhelming casual players, and have a decent enough DPS kit for when no one is in danger. ARR through SB had that as the model; heal when it's needed, DPS otherwise, it's the sheer abundance of free heals from non-healers and the lack of any damage in content that makes us DPS more than ever, and makes us pointless as healers when we can just be replaced by another tank or DPS.

Nerf non-healer heals and increase the frequency of incoming damage AND give us back an actual DPS kit, otherwise we will forever be stuck with healers feeling pointless, boring, or both.

[Striker44]

My brother in Hydaelyn, that's the entire point of the thread.

Nah, the point of the thread seems to be people desperately calling attention to themselves and making it about them. The person you're responding to pointed out anyone could simply choose not to play a healer without having to make oneself the center of attention for doing so.

So this whole thread is just about "content" that is so trivial that 4 bards could do it?

That something "can" be done doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form the normal experience for the typical player.

Dungeons and trials are the bulk of the game. Don't shill for certain jobs. Want the game to be better.

"Want the game to be better for me personally" would be a more accurate statement. Discussions in this forum would be much more productive if people stopped trying to act as if personal, subjective opinions are somehow objective fact. For example, I'm very much enjoying healing where it's at right now. Making a significant change to it could be something I end up finding even more enjoyable...or it could make the game "worse" for me. It's all a matter of opinion. This kinda goes along with the first person I quoted.

[Kazmarek]

Don't feed the trolls, man. Looking at her posts, I've gotta say, I've seen better bait at the gas station.

Bait? There's no bait here, you just don't like what I'm saying. So instead of listening to the logical counters, you cover your ears and call anything you disagree with "bait." The only people I've argued in bad faith with are the people who deserve to be argued with in bad faith. Everything else, I stand by 100%.

How about, if you want to be taken seriously, you uncover your ears, stop calling anything you don't like "bait," stop responding emotionally, and listen. It's a lot simpler than it sounds, and it sounds pretty simple.