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    Player
    UnconfirmedCat's Avatar
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    Miau Miau
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    You'll have to face it that this system isn't like other MMOs where you have spacs and all.
    This is a mainstream-friendly entrypoint for players who want to try MMOs without much sweat beyond midcore savage raiders.
    1. The game has never had specs, but healers have still been more challenging in the past from multiple fronts, DPS and healing despite that. The game not having specs is irrelevant, and we have objective confirmation of this in the history of FFXIV after 2.0.
    2. No one is advocating for healers to be incredibly difficult. No one is trying to make a dungeon feel like a savage, or even an extreme. I would say nearly every post here is just asking for something more than what healers have currently.
    3. You do not need 4 healers to all be the "friendly entrypoint for players." It's self-centered and greedy to want to stop any and all change to even one of the healers that could satisfy other people more.

    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    Stop trying to make it an MMO it isn't.
    This is insanely ironic considering the current existence of FFXIV is literally because Yoshi-P had to make the original FFXIV into an "MMO it isn't." Stop trying to dismiss and handwave people away because they have a different opinion than you.
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    Mikael Ordo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    You'll have to face it that this system isn't like other MMOs where you have spacs and all.
    This is a mainstream-friendly entrypoint for players who want to try MMOs without much sweat beyond midcore savage raiders.

    Stop trying to make it an MMO it isn't.
    Let's just lay down the fax. Casuals will always be bad at this game no matter how painstakingly easy the Job they're playing is. This has literally been proven with how utterly terrible some people still are with nu Summoner. So changing healers to be more engaging for the people that have two brain cells to rub together would realistically not do anything to irk Mr. Afk who erps in limsa all day
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    Saito Soji
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    This is a mainstream-friendly entrypoint for players who want to try MMOs without much sweat beyond midcore savage raiders.
    i'm....i'm sorry? have you ever tried running coils savage with only original classes?....what about that is midcore?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    Stop trying to make it an MMO it isn't.


    You've been farming from free range funky carrots there bud. put them down.
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    Phoebe Iris
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    Using the term "strike" was undeniably a poor choice, especially since strikes can be frowned upon in certain parts of the world. However, it did succeed in raising awareness, which was its primary goal, and it has ultimately achieved that purpose. Unfortunately, some bad actors are exacerbating the situation, and whataboutism is diverting attention from the main issue. Nonetheless, the strike has highlighted a significant divide within the community about whether Healers are in an acceptable state, indicating that we have reached an impasse.
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    99.99% chance probably a Titanman alt

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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonoki View Post
    Using the term "strike" was undeniably a poor choice, especially since strikes can be frowned upon in certain parts of the world. However, it did succeed in raising awareness, which was its primary goal, and it has ultimately achieved that purpose. Unfortunately, some bad actors are exacerbating the situation, and whataboutism is diverting attention from the main issue. Nonetheless, the strike has highlighted a significant divide within the community about whether Healers are in an acceptable state, indicating that we have reached an impasse.
    It's not an impasse at all. "We" don't have to decide if healers get changed or not. And disagreements were to be expected, design by committee is very difficulty even in a professional setting. The only thing players have do is provide feedback. Either in the form of written feedback, or by making different choices in what job to play, or to play FF at all.

    Getting outraged over the word "strike" is extremely thin skinned. And I've not seen any good faith posts, explaining in a normal tone that they personally object against the word "strike". As far as I know it's a question/assumption for now, made to explain some of the extreme hostility. And considering the numerous other disingenuous objections to the strike I've seen in this thread, even if someone now comes in to personally object to the word "strike", I am not sure if I'd believe that objection is really about the word "strike" or if it's another disingenuous objection.
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    Bard Lv 90
    Saw some websites comment on this and the comments section in them think this is pointless. But then I saw someone mention that they did a sort of similar strike for healers back in shadowbringers but nothing came of it. The thing is if the complaints have been going for years you would imagine they wojld have noticed… so it makes me wonder if they’re truly happy with the direction or this strike is just a very loud minority.
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    Player Rekh's Avatar
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    Fresh Tree
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by CStrife912 View Post
    Saw some websites comment on this and the comments section in them think this is pointless. But then I saw someone mention that they did a sort of similar strike for healers back in shadowbringers but nothing came of it. The thing is if the complaints have been going for years you would imagine they wojld have noticed… so it makes me wonder if they’re truly happy with the direction or this strike is just a very loud minority.
    You must be one of those "ffxiv 1.0 was great, no need to complain" people.
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    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekh View Post
    You must be one of those "ffxiv 1.0 was great, no need to complain" people.
    Don't pick on 1.0 you... you monster!!

    I loved 1.0 yeah it was grindy but it was unique.
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    Kailea Nagisa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    Don't pick on 1.0 you... you monster!!

    I loved 1.0 yeah it was grindy but it was unique.
    1.0 alpha tester here... 1.0 was trash, and there is a reason it was remade
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    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    1.0 alpha tester here... 1.0 was trash, and there is a reason it was remade
    I was a 1.0 player also... soo yeah I know what it was like...

    1.0 holds a special place for me for personal reasons as it was the only company I had while I was in and out of hospital, but yeah i get you.
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