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  1. #841
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    PercibelTheren's Avatar
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    Percibel Theren
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t see how people enjoy the healers in the MSQ either like ignoring being scared of the harder solo duties healers in the MSQ are just ungodly boring

    Everyone hates those solo duties where you play a truncated kit of another class by playing as that character (Alphinaud, alisaie, graha, thancred, hein, Y’shtola etc) well those kits are on average more interesting than a healers kit

    Longer solo duties playing as the WOL even on very easy are pathetic
    -vs Zenos
    -the WOL portion of the zero duty in garlemald
    -the WOL half of the duty you play as y’shtola
    -when you have to play as urianger

    Even the MSQ is crap as a healer
    That's why I, a former die-hard healer main, have always done MSQ on a DPS and switched to healer for dungeons. The MSQ fights are unbearable as a healer.
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  2. #842
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telkira View Post
    Dude.

    You guys are unironically trying to organize a STRIKE on a Japanese MMORPG.
    The fact that you don't even speak the same language as the majority of the game's playerbase (also said game's target audience) should have been enough to dissuade you all from thinking this was a productive endeavor.
    Is the majority of the playerbase Japanese? That doesn't sound right considering the game has a ton of players in EU, NA and other smaller regions.
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  3. #843
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    BismarckBug's Avatar
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    White Mage Lv 100
    As a healer main, you're overreacting and being needlessly dramatic.
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  4. #844
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    ArcaviusGreyashe's Avatar
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    Sikah'to Tahqa
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    And don't you see a problem when tanks and dps can cover the healing needs of a healer? Don't you see a problem in the fact that the hps need is that low in the hardest content of the game?
    As always, just do it then.

    Pretty sure since you failed to provide a healerless run for 3 out of 5 ultimates, and you just complained that Ucob was not representative. Sorry you failed, tho.

    Points to Sb where we werent healbots, had better rotations and more to heal
    I'm... yeah, no, I'm pretty sure you're just delusional. Good luck on your strike, you won't matter.
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  5. #845
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zell1226 View Post
    Anyway, regardless of all of that, are you sure you want it back to the Good Old DaysTM? In my eyes, it's one of those "You think you do, but you don't" kind of moments. Unlike most people here I have been around since 1.0, and having seen the progression this game has had over the years, I promise you we are in the spot we are now because of... wait for it... not square enix or the dev team... but ourselves.
    Huh, I didn't know the playerbase has direct control over the design direction of the game, I thought that was solely within the purview of the developer team, how strange.....

    Anyway, I didn't see anyone in ARR-SB complain about how tanks aren't able to solo dungeon bosses while they lay dead on the ground. I didn't see anyone during that time complain about DPS players not having an AoE heal. I didn't see anyone during that time complain about needing a healer to get through content.

    A lot of people love blaming the playerbase for the changes when most of us didn't even ask for any of it. Players are not able to influence the design of the game directly, so stop covering for the developers, they deserve blame here for going too far. It's also worth noting that SB addressed and fixed a lot of the things you listed as problems, the further simplifications in ShB never needed to happen, full stop.

    you do not want 5+ damaging abilities because you will be removed from a group the moment you decide not to press any of them because it's "too hard".
    Why don't you tell us the amount of times you've been kicked from a dungeon for missing damage abilities during a run? Because I haven't seen anyone kicked for not turning on Cleric Stance during a regular dungeon run. If the DPS players are allowed to sandbag by not using AoE in big pulls, the healer won't be kicked for not pressing their damage buttons.
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  6. #846
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    Sani2341's Avatar
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Why don't you tell us the amount of times you've been kicked from a dungeon for missing damage abilities during a run? Because I haven't seen anyone kicked for not turning on Cleric Stance during a regular dungeon run. If the DPS players are allowed to sandbag by not using AoE in big pulls, the healer won't be kicked for not pressing their damage buttons.
    Better question is, would the average dps even be able to tell, or care to look, if the healer is Pressing their 'hurt enemy buttons' as long as everyone is staying alive?
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  7. #847
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    Good luck on your strike, you won't matter.
    What are you doing here then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

  8. #848
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    "We've come to this thread to laugh at you! Why aren't you stopping? Don't you see how much you're making us laugh? Guys please, look at us laughing and pointing at you! You're being made fun of, you HAVE to stop! LOOK AT US AND STOP! “

    You could have just posted a wojak and be done with it.
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  9. #849
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    Nanapie Kimura
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    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    Suffer? im quite enjoying it, im looking forward to doing DF's later on with my SGE, it's so freaking chill.
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  10. #850
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Here is a question for those that don’t support this

    Would you support changes to the healers if it was only 2 of them

    Like say we left DT WHM and SGE alone but then changed AST and SCH to be roughly at a difference in difficulty parity to say WAR vs GNB

    What is the justification for all 4 healing jobs being equally easy
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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