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  1. 06-11-2024 04:38 PM

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    Neoyoshi's Avatar
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    Neoyoshi Kaligawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    I don't know if that's the right type of attitude to have about a core problem that really seems to be about people simply losing enjoyment; at least I think that's what's going on here.

    I know I'm out of my depth in this conversation, but I do know what I'm capable of, and I'm not a gamer who has the multitasking proficiencies a healer requires. I know this because I've tried it before years ago in World of Warcraft, and I was terrible at it.
    A person should play what they enjoy and have fun with, not what they think the game or others require of them, and someone who is having fun with their job in FFXIV is very likely going to be good at it.

    Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
    People who heal in this game are obviously good at it, which means they are also enjoying it, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves through that type of stress and anxiety, and i try to always keep this in mind when i'm in a dungeon, i always try to stay out of damage as much as possible, i try to stay within the healers range as much as possible, and i try my best to always give them commendations. I do what I can to not take for granted the effort others are putting into their duties.

    So I don't think looking for others to experience the unique situations, anxieties and hurdles of another is going to communicate whatever 'this' whole thread discussion is really about, which... I'm not sure it's even going to materialize in-game, and if it does, i'm not sure i'll see it, but i have no desire to be dismissive of it, i just don't know what this is really going to accomplish other than annoy people.
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    EusisLandale's Avatar
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    Eira Landale
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Neoyoshi View Post
    Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
    It's honestly a lot less than you would think, especially at a casual level. Just like a tank you never stack mitigations outside of rare situations, and the only time you generally have to worry about someone else is if they've dome something stupid and a single button will usually fix it.
    Sage in the average dungeon trash pull, for example, will have you just rotate Kerachole, Taurochole+Physis if needed, Kerachole and maybe Holos if the group's DPS is slow. You use one of Haima or Panhaima, then the other on the next double pull. Then you just spam Dyskrasia, occasionally hitting Phelgma as it comes off CD.
    On the bosses you just Kerachole or Holos at the same points you'd use whatever tank group mitigation you have, then follow up with Ixochole, Physis, or Pneuma to top people off. Then you just spam Dosis, occasionally hitting Eukrasia to turn it into your dot.
    Outside of tossing Kardia out at the start of the run and Taurochole and Haima as needed, I never even have to bother targeting anyone in the party. Kerachole and Physis will keep any non suicidal DPS from dying without me even needing to acknowledge that they exist or have taken damage.

    You have a ton of tools to heal, so it can certainly look overwhelming from that angle, and yet you only need 7 of them because they refuse to design fights to actually need you to make full use of your kit outside of the highest end stuff. That's the major complaint healers have, is that we don't have the tools to engage with the game and the tools we do have aren't needed.
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    Last edited by EusisLandale; 06-11-2024 at 06:02 PM.

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    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Nanapie Kimura
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    Suffer? im quite enjoying it, im looking forward to doing DF's later on with my SGE, it's so freaking chill.
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    Asterden's Avatar
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    Aster Mh'avi
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    Goblin
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    I'm not picking on you specifically, but I've been seeing this stance a lot, but what you and others are saying is subjective. Your experiences of healing/clearing content as healer, could be COMPLETELY different compared to others.
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