#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ForteNightshade]

Giving WAR their 25% extra HP back, while taking their Rampart down to 10%, Damnation to 30% and removing the damage reduction from Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting, and also removing their ability to heal other people would make them close to how they used be in the past.

Uhh, no it wouldn't. This would make Warrior completely unviable for pretty much anything at the Savage level or above. To put into perspective just how bad those changes would be, Thancred's buster in FRU deals upwards up 400k while Shiva broaches close to 500k. You quite literally need almost every GCD you have to survive without an invuln. In fact, Warrior is the only tank completely dependent on their co-tank/healers to survive phase 1 as they run out of CDs.

It's almost like as the difficulty ramps up their self healing becomes far less impressive. The irony is despite the criticism Dark Knight gets for lacking sustain in dungeons, it's a much more sturdy tank in Savage and Ultimate.

[Xurtan]

I just cleared the tier on healer, and I'm doing a second run of it
Posting to let you all know that I'm not part of the healer strike, and my SCH will continue to make queues pop

You... do understand that was never the actual point of the strike, right? Lmao.

[Luluya]

I just cleared the tier on healer, and I'm doing a second run of it
Posting to let you all know that I'm not part of the healer strike, and my SCH will continue to make queues pop

Nice! Hat's off to you!

[LynxDubh]

Nice! Hat's off to you!

*cries in hrothgar*

[Nadda]

You... do understand that was never the actual point of the strike, right? Lmao.

HUH? What are you talking about that the original premise of the strike was to stop playing healer - so the queues become long for everybody and that the players and dev team take notice. That's what makes it a strike.

Actually one moment.

The activity of a player supporting the strike has chosen to not participate in duties as the healer role. Most supporters are still going to actively participate in duties, meaning they are still contributing to the community. Just not as a healer.

It's on page one by Healer Strike Muhammad (Heals Be Upon Them) themselves.

It's right there black and white. Clear as crystal.

Not that I care mind you but it totally was the point... or part of it. I don't think anybody really followed through though. With the strike I mean. It just sort of became the box where everyone stuffs their healer complaints.
Like how everyone complains about everything, except this is our box. There are many like it but this one is ours.

[Aravell]

This strike is a protest. As such, it is not intended to disrupt the game or the players who have subscribed to FFXIV.

Again, I think people keep missing this part of the OP.

The point is that people who participate are tired of playing healers, so we just don't play them or play far less of them, the aim has never been to disrupt the queue system, I don't know where people keep getting that from.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]Tanks and DPS getting self healing is not actually that big of a deal, and doesn't noticeably detract from a healer's role in the group. Said abilities are often on somewhat long cooldowns or are honestly not very helpful. A Gunbreaker's Heal-Over-Time ability is great, for the 15 or so seconds it lasts. But it doesn't keep up with most incoming damage very well. If it is enough healing during a dungeon, then a white mage casting regen at the start of each fight would have had the exact same effect[…]

Correction. If the GNB has an Aurora and HoC up, that’s 2-3 less Lilies from me. Realize that both actions are already healing equal, if not more than the WHM’s Solace without accounting their inherent damage reduction from just being a tank, and their other mitigative options. If you’re a functioning, decent WHM, you will not be healing much outside precast Regen and incidental Assize in dungeons.

[…]A warrior has the most impressive self healing capabilities, but those are again on a long enough cooldown that you're not able to use them all the time[...]

My brother/sister in Hydaelyn, that ‘long enough’ cooldown also tend to be healable by WHM simply waiting for Assize to come off cooldown at 40s. What makes you think a 25s fourfold Benediction is ‘too long’ of a cooldown do same, if not a better job?

[…]The healing abilities for DPS that I've seen are all either lackluster or have too long of a cooldown to be viable for doing more then reducing the strain on a healer when things are going south. Maybe there are abilities I haven't gotten to try yet which change the equations, but I'm not seeing any Tank or DPS who don't need healers in group content. At best, most can reduce the strain on the healer when things are going wrong. Maybe the dancer pops Curing Waltz after two rapid aoes decimated the group's HP, thus reducing the healer's work load to recover the party's health from the hits. But is that really a bad thing?[…]

For every each of those healing cooldowns you cite as ‘lackluster’ being used, they are one less cooldown/GCD heal from us healers. It’s commonly accepted fact that there isn’t much damage going out. What do you think healer’s going to do if that ‘little healing’ requirement was completed by somebody else? Heal again anyway? Lmao.

[…]The DPS rotations of healers, yeah those are pretty damn boring. Toss a single target DoT on an enemy, spam the same single target attack. Or spam their one aoe attack spell (if above level 45). It's boring, true. But healers often have limited offensive capabilities in MMOs, that way they can focus more of their attention on supporting the party rather then where they are in their damage rotations[…]

I do not think that excuses them from making all 4 plays the same way 90% of time.

[Nadda]

Again, I think people keep missing this part of the OP.

The point is that people who participate are tired of playing healers, so we just don't play them or play far less of them, the aim has never been to disrupt the queue system, I don't know where people keep getting that from.

I think the notion of not disrupting play came after as damage control... hard to tell my memory is fuzzy but we'll operate under the assumption that wasn't the intent. (in otherwords you're correct and I'm a silly)

Still the idea is for healers mains to not heal which would have a negative affect (in theory) to queue times.

Now I don't know how effective that has been in terms of participation.

Like most things on the Forum there are issues and points I resonate with even with the healer strike. But it's packaged in such an icky way.
Then again I know what it's like to be emotionally captured by things we find important so it's not for me to judge.
At the very least there is an effort for change rather than accepting things the way they are, or doomposting.

Even with 8.0 I'm not sure how much jobs will change. Will they go the pictomancer route? If Healers will need to move more we might then have more heal/damage buttons on the go. That be kinda cool.
If there's more movement that could also mean they could do things like out going damage where we're just pumping stuff out and have really intense heal checks that maybe aren't possible with current design.

[Supersnow845]

I think the notion of not disrupting play came after as damage control... hard to tell my memory is fuzzy but we'll operate under the assumption that wasn't the intent. (in otherwords you're correct and I'm a silly)

Still the idea is for healers mains to not heal which would have a negative affect (in theory) to queue times.

Now I don't know how effective that has been in terms of participation.

Like most things on the Forum there are issues and points I resonate with even with the healer strike. But it's packaged in such an icky way.
Then again I know what it's like to be emotionally captured by things we find important so it's not for me to judge.
At the very least there is an effort for change rather than accepting things the way they are, or doomposting.

Even with 8.0 I'm not sure how much jobs will change. Will they go the pictomancer route? If Healers will need to move more we might then have more heal/damage buttons on the go. That be kinda cool.
If there's more movement that could also mean they could do things like out going damage where we're just pumping stuff out and have really intense heal checks that maybe aren't possible with current design.

The reason why it’s “packaged in such an icky format” is because the healer forums is a veritable necropolis of well intended feedback packaged the “right way”

[Nadda]

The reason why it’s “packaged in such an icky format” is because the healer forums is a veritable necropolis of well intended feedback packaged the “right way”

I happen to appreciate the well-intended variety. It's the Jam thumbdrop cookie of critique.

Anyways to keep things more productive on healing and less about my cookie analogies.

I'm curious and have been speculating that Pictomancer as a kind of benchmark for what future 8.0 design. As I can't imagine they'd make Pictomancer the way it is just to drastically change it the next expansion. Of course that has happened before... to many... many jobs.

I wonder what a mobile world for casting looks like far as healers are concerned.

The reason I brought it up is that in a world of mobile casting spells for healers can be more versatile and if they are more versatile ... you could be damaging on the move but also... healing more on the move.

Free-er movement would make traditional mechanics dodging trivial which could inject more outgoing damage as part of encounter design.

That be pretty interesting.