The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Silverbane]

Regarding point B, do you work with professional translators? Because I do. It is very uncommon for them to make errors.

I don't know what the subject matter of the translations you are getting is, but the translations I get, which are highly technical documents concerning cutting-edge technology, come from some of the world's largest corporations and universities, and are intended to form the basis of important legal documents, substantive errors are the norm, not the exception.

[Midareyukki]

Regarding point B, do you work with professional translators? Because I do. It is very uncommon for them to make errors. They are highly paid and in high demand for a reason- it is a very demanding profession and they set very high standards, even then they go through approval and verification. Although fan translators are well-intended, they themselves admit that their translations should be carefully interpreted. In addition- I never said that the fans do a better job, I don't know where that came from - as much as I very much appreciate , and use, the fan translations of the Live Letters.

I mean, it'd be a horrible spot on the resume being told your work sucks. Especially since you have platforms where people post reviews of your work, and companies won't want to keep someone who can't maintain the quality they ask for. Most translators have some level of formatory years so they pay more attention, and some do their own revision. If they don't, then someone in the group will. Mistakes do happen, though, but as you said it is rare. Because it's a job that demands a lot of reading and consideration; had we not cared about quality, why would you be paying someone to do it when google translate works just fine, right?

The biggest danger with professional translators is that, unlike amateurs, they know the weight of the contract with their client. So sometimes, not always, but sometimes... the company does ask them to soften up the message. It does depend on the context, and while I don't think Square Enix does it with its translators/interpreters because the "softening" is already in Yoshida's own words rather than the translator's, that aspect might be there. It sounds amoral, but it's really just business. Which is why I think it's both insulting yet hilarious that people complain about Square's own translation teams or interpreters. I remember when Aimi Tokutake came up, people said she didn't do a good job. And I was just watching her, fresh out of my master's on the subject, and the only thing I had to point out she did "wrong" was saying "umm" too much. Because I personally was trained to mitigate it as much as possible. They do do a good job, the only thing I'd point out is that sometimes they forget the sheer amount of people tuning in and listening, so someone's bound to misinterpret things and overhype it... but while interpreters and translators can be aware of that, they're not at fault for it. There's only so much they do. And before people think this is a major issue: Translators might have less chances for that, since revision might catch changes in meaning. But no one's reviewing what interpreters say, that's true. HOWEVER, it's also why professionals tend to be prudent while interpreting. Again, it's why you pay them, and not TTS Google Translate.

People forget that translation takes A LOT of work and professionals are aware of way more risks than the average person. And even as a professional, the "lost in translation" effect does still apply, because no two languages are the same, no matter how similar. So mistakes CAN happen even for professionals. But at least Professionals know that there are ways to mitigate it, even for such distant languages like English and Japanese. And they do employ it. They're trained to. There needs to be a bit more credit awarded imo.

[Midareyukki]

I hate to point this out.. but "as a developer" they do not have free license to do what they feel or wish. they are told what to implement or design. they could read every thread on this board, but its not their job to decide what to work on. thats higher up the food chain, a developer is told what to code. period. they are told what systems to come up with and then to fit it into the existing framework.

it is not their place, if they want to continue getting a paycheque, to implement things or change things other than what they are told to do. not to mention that they usually lack the bandwidth to implement their own ideas without prior authorization.

that job is higher up the foodchain. you want to see people lounging around the office doing "minimal effort" that would be better directed at the STF.

But given Yoshida's "promotion", is it in his place to decide that sort of stuff? Or is he just the guy in charge of collecting all the ideas he, the devs and we propose and offer it to those above him?

[IDontPetLalas]

I mean, it'd be a horrible spot on the resume being told your work sucks. Especially since you have platforms where people post reviews of your work, and companies won't want to keep someone who can't maintain the quality they ask for. Most translators have some level of formatory years so they pay more attention, and some do their own revision. If they don't, then someone in the group will. Mistakes do happen, though, but as you said it is rare. Because it's a job that demands a lot of reading and consideration; had we not cared about quality, why would you be paying someone to do it when google translate works just fine, right?
(snip) I remember when Aimi Tokutake came up, people said she didn't do a good job. And I was just watching her, fresh out of my master's on the subject, and the only thing I had to point out she did "wrong" was saying "umm" too much. Because I personally was trained to mitigate it as much as possible. They do do a good job, the only thing I'd point out is that sometimes they forget the sheer amount of people tuning in and listening, so someone's bound to misinterpret things and overhype it... but while interpreters and translators can be aware of that, they're not at fault for it. There's only so much they do. And before people think this is a major issue: Translators might have less chances for that, since revision might catch changes in meaning. But no one's reviewing what interpreters say, that's true. HOWEVER, it's also why professionals tend to be prudent while interpreting. Again, it's why you pay them, and not TTS Google Translate.

People forget that translation takes A LOT of work and professionals are aware of way more risks than the average person. And even as a professional, the "lost in translation" effect does still apply, because no two languages are the same, no matter how similar. So mistakes CAN happen even for professionals. But at least Professionals know that there are ways to mitigate it, even for such distant languages like English and Japanese. And they do employ it. They're trained to. There needs to be a bit more credit awarded imo.

It's funny that you mentioned the "umm" being an issue, I received feedback myself years ago during training for presentations. I didn't believe that I di say it until I, like every other trainee, watched a video of my presentation- what an eye-opener.

By the way, that was only one of many irritating habits that we were told to avoid because it detract from our message. People don't realize what they do subconsciously and just how much their audience picks up on , I wouldn't be surprised if (live) translators get similar training, I never thought of it but it makes a lot of sense.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Yes, the bare minimum is done by the devs of this game. If you think otherwise, I dont know what to tell you.

From balance, to housing, to islands, everything is the bare minimum.

Then I have to ask...why are you subbed? If we're going to use your logic you being subbed tells them the bare minimum is ok. You're contributing to the problem you've presented.

On another note, I also don't get this hate where "big corpo is bad because they aren't doing exactly what I FEEL I deserve" rhetoric. Folks ok and satisfied with things as they are are somehow bad and folks who defend that stance are somehow paid shills or simps. It's like no matter the topic when it comes to xiv you can't just like something or be ok with it. It's wild and saddening really

[Reap00]

Good to see this thread is still on the front page. The devs deserve all the praise they get.

[Supersnow845]

Good to see this thread is still on the front page. The devs deserve all the praise they get.

Yeah except this thread is not praising the devs, it’s farming an even more useless set of internet points than reddit karma on the back of the drama caused by poor balancing that the devs themselves caused

I’ll praise the devs when they actually do something worth praising for a change which I haven’t seen much of since 4.x

[Kaurhz]

Simping for people you dont know is gross. You pay twice to access the game, that's thanks enough

Don't know how you manage to confuse or synonymize (for that matter) thanking the developers verbally, or in a written form as an expression of gratitude with 'simping' for them. But well done on convincing yourself, I guess.

[Boblawblah]

Yeah except this thread is not praising the devs, it’s farming an even more useless set of internet points than reddit karma on the back of the drama caused by poor balancing that the devs themselves caused

I’ll praise the devs when they actually do something worth praising for a change which I haven’t seen much of since 4.x

you 'praise' the devs every month you subscribe. Welcome to the club

[Kes13a]

I am not a developer; I wouldn't know what they can and cannot do. However, I appreciate that they could read everything on the forum and that it would still need to be signed off by a higher-up, as with everything in business, for example, a CFO, CTO or CIO.

I imagine the person making these decisions is the director and producer. However, I would say that customers expect specific standards for products they pay for continuously.


How long do the developers want to wait to fix these issues?

the developers wait until they are TOLD TO FIX THEM. its that simple. the developers do not have the time generally to peruse the forums looking for issues, they have a job to do, thats coding, they get told what to do, its that plain and simple. they are going to be told by their team lead what to work on. usually that team lead would get direction from the person above them, who is likely going to be some unit supervisor but I have no clue since I am not privy to how SE sets up its development area.

But given Yoshida's "promotion", is it in his place to decide that sort of stuff? Or is he just the guy in charge of collecting all the ideas he, the devs and we propose and offer it to those above him?

Yoshi would be the person, I assume, that decides the direction of the game. likely someone under him who is supposed to get a list of issues from the non-existent community managers, he passes those along to the development side and they would assign priorities based on amount of time it will take to fix or implement something. developers, the ones coding, that no one here must figure do much, are generally going to be the hardest working people there because they have to make the game work. they are always going to be working to deadlines and if they dont meet those enough without a darn fine reason, I imagine they are not coding at SE any more.

I just work for a software company and not a gaming company.. so I have no idea on all of the moving parts, but overall, I would say Yoshi (as a "product manager") makes a majority of the calls on proposals brought forth to make improvements or changes. I doubt the actual developers have the time to read customer feedback. which based on these forums is likely a good thing from a morale side. if people want to throw shade.. throw it at Yoshi. the devs do deserve some credit for managing to code this monster