Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
But arent the devs already constantly apologizing for their mess ups? Who'se saying that they're arent? Are they just blind or havent actually paid attention to the communication the team has been giving us? We had two quick posts within the same patch cycle twice about the savage and job balancing back to back. Its just unfortunately stuff that for a good portion of players didnt want to hear or feel like its still not enough so they're being angry about it.
...okay and?

They apologize for their "mistakes". Sure. And what about the actions they take after their apology? I'm not talking about the times Yoshida said "We apologize for what happened". I'm talking about what they did after. Not everything ended up fine, some stuff are still only band-aided. Besides, as good as the devs are, it doesn't exempt them from being called out on those aspects. Otherwise they wouldn't apologize at all. Maybe you wouldn't have those posts back to back if the dev team had listened to its playerbase. Rather than telling healers to "go play Ultimate".

I mean, Atelier, I told you not even a day ago: It doesn't matter if "other companies" do it worse, if there are stuff that are needed to be pointed out for there to be any improvement, even if we're doing better than others, why wouldn't we? It doesn't exempt them from criticism. What it does is earn them respect and consideration, but it also needs to be reciprocal. If they don't award their fans with respect, why would anyone give them in turn? And some stuff haven't been apologized for in a proper and responsible way. That had nothing to do with "whiners", you really need to let that argument go. Because it always seems that's your only answer to things, when you know by now that the way people end up is either that they learn to respect the devs, or people just turn against them on the spot. It had to do with the way they approached the subject, and then the subsequent reaction. Even if they're better than other devs, they can still trip up, right? Even monkeys fall from trees. And they can take it when we say "yo, you tripped here", right? To me, that's not being disrespectful, that's doing what the devs asked for: they wanted fans to give feedback, even if it meant it was negative. So that the game improves. Or, what, should we only give them positive feedback from here on and never address problems that arise?

I never said "we wanted an apology". I said we wanted them to own the stuff that didn't work that well, and actively improve them. "I'm sorry" rings hollow when the action you take is weak. YES there are reasons, but there are also reasons for people to question the weight of the measures taken. Plus, just because you're tired of all the negativity, you shouldn't deny that some things have been addressed rather weakly and could be better addressed in the future. And again, I wasn't even talking about the whiners, because odds are Square won't care for them. We all know those guys are the worst part. I'm talking about people who aren't going to that extreme and are still called haters for doing so.

Anyway. Yeah, they're going to have a Live Letter soon, and they will be parsing the threads for feedback, but this thread doesn't have any. If anything, the only thing that can be construed from this is that some fans want them to be more transparent. But that's beyond Yoshida's abilities, and if the upper guys don't want that, we won't have any, period. Everything else can be dismissed.