The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Atelier-Bagur]

You do realize that you're on the English sub-forum, don't you? English also happens to be one of the most widely spoken second languages in the world, so it makes sense that if someone was going to do a simulcast, in order to reach the widest possible audience, then it would be in English. Not to mention, Yoshi-P also understands and speaks English, from what I understand, so should the translator misinterpret, which is always possible- it's likely he would catch the error and be able to correct it.

There are a lot of advantages in providing an official live translation in English.

And I'm not saying they shouldn't be pushing for more live English translations. Please, actually read my posts before making these assumptions.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be acting like SE has zero official communication with this side of the community. When,

A: this is a false statement since we do actually get official translations or in depth communication behind what they said in the live letters anyway.

B. It's common for fan translations to misinterpret information being said, so saying that is the fans do a better job is not really much of an argument.

[Silverbane]

B. It's common for fan translations to misinterpret information being said, so saying that is the fans do a better job is not really much of an argument.

Professional translators can do this too, especially regarding subjects having extensive jargon associated with them.
This is another reason that letting the volunteer amateurs do the real-time translation: SE's not responsible for their mistakes. The subsequent professional translation can be checked and corrected by the devs before its release.

[N.B. I actually have to deal with this problem in my profession. I handle the "English-to-English translation" (among other revisions) of a lot of jargon-heavy documents that were professionally translated into English from a foreign language.]

[Midareyukki]

Professional translators can do this too, especially regarding subjects having extensive jargon associated with them.
This is another reason that letting the volunteer amateurs do the real-time translation: SE's not responsible for their mistakes. The subsequent professional translation can be checked and corrected by the devs before its release.

[N.B. I actually have to deal with this problem in my profession. I handle the "English-to-English translation" (among other revisions) of a lot of jargon-heavy documents that were professionally translated into English from a foreign language.]

YES. You guys have no idea how easy it is to write something you think is right when it's really not. That's why revision is always important, if not by you, then by someone else who will act like the reader for you. And some jargon-heavy text might not be easy to understand and give you a wrong impression. And Silverbane's just saying English to English, which on its own already has some issues.

Japanese is a context-heavy language, and they love to beat around the bush when speaking rather than being direct. If professionals themselves can make mistakes and be misled, amateurs are even worse. But at the same time, Square knows this, and thus can easily just say "No, that's not what we meant". Though I don't think they like it either way. No one would. Because often fans mislead and overhype some stuff that they then need to come out and explain better. And if they do it too often, then it can just become frustrating. Yes, it clears them from that particular responsability, but the downside is that you then need to clarify. Either what you don't want to clarify or what you thought didn't need any clarification, and thus feels like wasting your time on stuff you already mentioned.

[SturmChurro]

Square knows this, and thus can easily just say "No, that's not what we meant".

What was it again, they weren't originally going to add hrothgar hair, even though it was said they would?

[Midareyukki]

What was it again, they weren't originally going to add hrothgar hair, even though it was said they would?

Girl we went over this. And what they said was that they weren't going to add shared Hrothgar hair, but rather make Hrothgar hair be unique if they ever were to have them. Plus, there's much better examples of these. *COUGH* THIRD PARTY TOOLS *COUGH*

If you want to continue this, I'm happy to necro the Hrothgar threads for you~

[SturmChurro]

Girl we went over this. And what they said was that they weren't going to add shared Hrothgar hair, but rather make Hrothgar hair be unique if they ever were to have them. Plus, there's much better examples of these. *COUGH* THIRD PARTY TOOLS *COUGH*

If you want to continue this, I'm happy to necro the Hrothgar threads for you~

Oh, I know, I wasn't trying to start a whole thing about hrothgar specifically, just thought it was relevant, in that I think I recall it being referred to as a "mistranslation". It's just still so funny to me to think about the literal quotes there are of one thing being said, with dated proof, and then something else being said later.

[Midareyukki]

Oh, I know, I wasn't trying to start a whole thing about hrothgar specifically, just thought the part about different statements was relevant. It's just still so funny to me to think about the literal quotes there are of one thing being said, with dated proof, and then something else being said later.

History tends to repeat itself. That, and people do learn if they pay enough attention.

[IDontPetLalas]

And I'm not saying they shouldn't be pushing for more live English translations. Please, actually read my posts before making these assumptions.

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be acting like SE has zero official communication with this side of the community. When,

A: this is a false statement since we do actually get official translations or in depth communication behind what they said in the live letters anyway.

B. It's common for fan translations to misinterpret information being said, so saying that is the fans do a better job is not really much of an argument.

I did "actually read" your post, if you felt that I assumed something that was likely due to its brevity, if you go back and look at it there wasn't much to go on.

Regarding point A- I never said there was zero communications from SE, however I would dispute that the quality or the experience of a couple of lines on a Powerpoint is equivalent to have an in-depth live commentary from SE.

Regarding point B, do you work with professional translators? Because I do. It is very uncommon for them to make errors. They are highly paid and in high demand for a reason- it is a very demanding profession and they set very high standards, even then they go through approval and verification. Although fan translators are well-intended, they themselves admit that their translations should be carefully interpreted. In addition- I never said that the fans do a better job, I don't know where that came from - as much as I very much appreciate , and use, the fan translations of the Live Letters.

[ForteNightshade]

The recent savage nerf to p8s p1 as well as the PLD and WAR buffs where that PLD, WAR, RPR, RDM, MCH, and SGE struggled to meet the dps check required even if they played flawlessly, by about 1%. *Spoiler* the 8th boss of the Pandaemonium raid is a piece of Lahabread. From what I gathered by high end raiders/ content creators complaining heavily about this, in which turn lead to more people malding or even hating the devs for it. A boss hasn't been nerfed like this since HW in Alexander Savage. People forget that the Coils brought us echo. Mistakes where made, but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash. There is a difference between criticizing and bashing.

This simply isn't true. The majority of responses have been critical, possibly harsh at times, but not a direct bash towards the dev team. Being blunt isn't the same as bashing.

You're seeing a more critical response because these were predicted issues since the beginning of Endwalker. Machinist, for example, has been in a bad state for years. Despite countless threads spanning over two expansions, the devs seemingly refuse to acknowledge their design philosophy for the job simply isn't working. On the tank side of things, both Warrior and Paladin were comically behind in Asphodelos. While Paladin did receive some buffs in 6.05, the devs have never really justified the sizable gap in damage between the aforementioned two, Dark Knight and Gunbreaker. The utility argument people bring up doesn't work in execution when said utility has little value over raw damage. Speaking of Dark Knight, it took them seven years and an expansion where the new healer literally couldn't heal Living Dead without dumping everything into it for the devs to finally address it. Previously, Yoshida claimed they couldn't make any changes due to "job identity."

All of this is to say, people are getting fed up with poor balancing and gameplay decisions which take forever and a day to be acknowledged. When we only get three Savage tiers per expansion. It's understandably going to upset people when job balance is this poor throughout two of them.

I doubt any one of us thinks the dev team isn't putting a lot of work and dedication into the game. That doesn't mean we can't still criticize their decisions.

[Kes13a]

No one is disputing how hard they work. The issue is whether the developers are working hard on the correct feature or investing time wisely to help soothe current pain points or mitigate players' frustration. As a developer they should have a mindset where they can take the feedback on board no matter the tone and understand where the player is coming from and what is causing their frustration. Acknowledge what is causing the frustration and give players a solution with a feasible timescale, i.e. 1-2 patches. Not we plan to continue support, and nothing happens for 3 - 6 yrs. If the players are not complaining, something is wrong, but you must remember that people pay for the product to work as intended.

I hate to point this out.. but "as a developer" they do not have free license to do what they feel or wish. they are told what to implement or design. they could read every thread on this board, but its not their job to decide what to work on. thats higher up the food chain, a developer is told what to code. period. they are told what systems to come up with and then to fit it into the existing framework.

it is not their place, if they want to continue getting a paycheque, to implement things or change things other than what they are told to do. not to mention that they usually lack the bandwidth to implement their own ideas without prior authorization.

that job is higher up the foodchain. you want to see people lounging around the office doing "minimal effort" that would be better directed at the STF.