The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[AlaineIV]

Despite this last week and the amount of flak that they received, they work extremely hard to bring us a game that is much loved and enjoyed. The amount of hate I have seen this past week because a class can't do 1% more damage is absurd in the slightest, but then again that is only less than 2% of the community most likely complaining. Those that are complaining are the ones that have zero ideal what they are talking about and are only outcrying what their favorite streamer is telling them to outcry.

Again: Thank you Devs for bringing us an amazing game. I know mistakes are made, we are all human and you all do your best to fix it. I look forward to seeing what you bring in 6.25 and 6.3.

[Vahlnir]

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

[Sotaris]

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

farm internet points, whiteknight or both.

[AlaineIV]

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

The recent savage nerf to p8s p1 as well as the PLD and WAR buffs where that PLD, WAR, RPR, RDM, MCH, and SGE struggled to meet the dps check required even if they played flawlessly, by about 1%. *Spoiler* the 8th boss of the Pandaemonium raid is a piece of Lahabread. From what I gathered by high end raiders/ content creators complaining heavily about this, in which turn lead to more people malding or even hating the devs for it. A boss hasn't been nerfed like this since HW in Alexander Savage. People forget that the Coils brought us echo. Mistakes where made, but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash. There is a difference between criticizing and bashing.

[Axxion]

The recent savage nerf to p8s p1 as well as the PLD and WAR buffs where that PLD, WAR, RPR, RDM, MCH, and SGE struggled to meet the dps check required even if they played flawlessly, by about 1%. *Spoiler* the 8th boss of the Pandaemonium raid is a piece of Lahabread. From what I gathered by high end raiders/ content creators complaining heavily about this, in which turn lead to more people malding or even hating the devs for it. A boss hasn't been nerfed like this since HW in Alexander Savage. People forget that the Coils brought us echo. Mistakes where made, but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash. There is a difference between criticizing and bashing.

Here is the thing, we can be nice about it, go to the place to tell them "hey, you might need to make some changes here and there" goes silent. Or they have a live letter to stick to there choices. However, when you have everybody from all over, from English side to the japanese side saying the same thing and voices are not being heard and the only time they will "fix" things when everybody yells and make videos about it. It shouldn't have to be.

yes, they added echo, yes they fixed the healer lb so that it does not give us weakness. That was past not now. Yes they are human and they can make mistake. But they need to iron that out on there end as far as communicating with themselfs and the community If there stance was to make every job viable on every bit content then they need to make sure that they work out the kinks before launch

I'm all for praising them when they deserve it, as well as criticizing them when it is needed. To be honest though, it seems like a thread like this pops up every time there's some drama over a recent development decision, so it makes me wonder what the intention is.

Sadly to say it always does

If you pay attention to the live letters, they are working on updating the game graphically. Things like this are not done over night and take time, specially a game as large as this. Grant it there are UI improvements that need to be made, that some QoL mods do better, but as shitty as it seems, they have to follow their ToS.

If they let those UI mods go, it seems that ToS is more of a guideline than a set of rules established to play the licensed game. I'm sure they would rather not ban the people that had the QoL UI mods, but they have to do it. Character customization is fine, its nothing compared to AoC or BDO character creation, but those games emphasize more so on that. I spend this game 90% of the time of my character facing forward rather than looking at me, so character creation is definitely on the bottom of the list for me. Housing < its definitely gotten better, it used to be way worse, and as you can see housing slots are open on every server.

The way that it is designed will be based on server capacity. I like the concept they went for in establishing that you have neighbors, etc rather than having a instance where you are all alone, definitely if a RP community was to come together for a section of housing that part of the game can sky rocket. Job Balancing will always be broken < its what makes the game, complaining about it rather than providing insight does nothing to the solution, people forget that back in SB classes went as far as 8% apart in DPS, and I'm sure with 6.25 and 6.3 you will see classes get reworked or buffed. The issue is not the balance, its the way boss hitboxes are designed making Ranged a lot less useful over melee. It will be interesting to see what they do going forward.

First please make paragraphs nobody got time to read a block of text.

Do you understand a lot of the player base do not watch the live letter's and/read the letter from the producer digest . A lot of them do not want spoliers of any sorts (i know how it sounds)

UI mods they had to recently made them official. They are finally adding them in because they finally realize that there game is missing QOL

Character design is a bit lacking even if you think its fine others do not. Keep in mind that alot of players want more hair options and face options then just the standard ones.

Housing is debatable. Yes the system is better but all it did was just got rid of you clicking on a placard. They have not update on the amount of storage for housing for small to large, we still have to using glitches to move furniture to make them "float" Have not gotten a update to apartment ever since it was release.

[george357]

well say something good about the company and every drama queen comes running to complain well not surprised at all.

[Lauront]

well say something good about the company and every drama queen comes running to complain well not surprised at all.

Kind of disingenuous when the OP basically throws shade at people complaining about legit balancing concerns, in the process of offering that "thanks". Maybe it's less so drama queens and more so people calling that out? It's very rare that I see a genuine thanks thread, that isn't doing this, or isn't just popping up to antagonise people complaining about something.

[Stormpeaks]

well say something good about the company and every drama queen comes running to complain well not surprised at all.

News flash, the world is not all sunshine and rainbows, this game isnt perfect, very far from it, and people have legit complaints about it, and have the right to voice them. Thanking them for doing the bare minimum is laughable at best.

[Midareyukki]

The recent savage nerf to p8s p1 as well as the PLD and WAR buffs where that PLD, WAR, RPR, RDM, MCH, and SGE struggled to meet the dps check required even if they played flawlessly, by about 1%. *Spoiler* the 8th boss of the Pandaemonium raid is a piece of Lahabread. From what I gathered by high end raiders/ content creators complaining heavily about this, in which turn lead to more people malding or even hating the devs for it. A boss hasn't been nerfed like this since HW in Alexander Savage. People forget that the Coils brought us echo. Mistakes where made, but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash. There is a difference between criticizing and bashing.

So your main thing you want to praise the devs for is taking into account Savage? Cute. The rest of the game exists too, context exists too.

While nerfing the fight is indeed an option, the real issue lies in how these classes are designed, which isn't great. Given how the fight itself was designed, those problems got exacerbated. And it's easier to just nerf the fight itself than acknowledge and address the issues that lead to the problems classes have in the first place: strict 2 minute burst windows, over-reliance on resources with many classes having little ways to compensate, among many others.

Coils brought us the Echo. Gordias brought us better raid design. "Mistakes were made", yes. But context also matters. It's not an issue of people forgetting that Square can learn and do better, it's that Square seems to have forgotten that themselves. Not just on raiding.

but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash

Yeah nah, bait.

Sure, a lot of people DID bash the devs over it, but you're really going to say that it was unfounded? We have a document going around explaining the issue with classes and why this failed to begin with. It didn't come out of thin air, lady.

Here's the thing you've forgotten. They had all that good faith, and they honestly still have some. WE KNOW they have some, because it's still an otherwise solid MMO. The issue is that they keep doing stuff that loses good will, and they keep abusing that button. If they "learned" since Alexander and Coils, then why are we having issues now? Maybe because we kept telling them what worked and what didn't and they decided to ignore us. Just ask any healer main.
- Endwalker launch got delayed
- Early Access was borked and they blamed full servers on "you connection is just faulty"
- Glitches abound on the game. Noticeable ones from the crackling sound to the stuff PvP classes could exploit.
- Hrothgar hairs and the ear connundrum, with a response that got called out on by fans proving them wrong on-stream
- Housing

You know... all stuff that either wouldn't have happened OR even if it did, their response would have been different? You're describing the dev team as a team that was treated unfairly, yet they're a team that has recently been treating their playerbase unfairly. We DO provide feedback to Square, it's always a coinflip whether they listen nowadays, and the results haven't been the best; hence the bashing. This game's lucky to still have a decent enough quality for people to play, because the relationship has been deteriorating, players mistrust the development team and people complain when they warn the devs about their quality levels not being met, and all with good reason. And they're lucky to be the dev team that's garnered so much popularity over the years. Because had it been anyone else, and the bashing would have gone past mere "whining" on the forums. But that's dropping, and while not everyone is so extreme as to leave, chances are they're still upset about some of the team's reactions and approaches.

And when you have quality dips and poor assurance so consistently, you're bound to get hit with fans not taking any of your BS.

It's fine that the devs are humans and whatnot, but like humans do, they're currently being too lax. Being human doesn't stop anyone from being responsible for the actions they take.

[ForteNightshade]

The recent savage nerf to p8s p1 as well as the PLD and WAR buffs where that PLD, WAR, RPR, RDM, MCH, and SGE struggled to meet the dps check required even if they played flawlessly, by about 1%. *Spoiler* the 8th boss of the Pandaemonium raid is a piece of Lahabread. From what I gathered by high end raiders/ content creators complaining heavily about this, in which turn lead to more people malding or even hating the devs for it. A boss hasn't been nerfed like this since HW in Alexander Savage. People forget that the Coils brought us echo. Mistakes where made, but instead of providing feedback for the devs like a select few did, people decided to bash. There is a difference between criticizing and bashing.

This simply isn't true. The majority of responses have been critical, possibly harsh at times, but not a direct bash towards the dev team. Being blunt isn't the same as bashing.

You're seeing a more critical response because these were predicted issues since the beginning of Endwalker. Machinist, for example, has been in a bad state for years. Despite countless threads spanning over two expansions, the devs seemingly refuse to acknowledge their design philosophy for the job simply isn't working. On the tank side of things, both Warrior and Paladin were comically behind in Asphodelos. While Paladin did receive some buffs in 6.05, the devs have never really justified the sizable gap in damage between the aforementioned two, Dark Knight and Gunbreaker. The utility argument people bring up doesn't work in execution when said utility has little value over raw damage. Speaking of Dark Knight, it took them seven years and an expansion where the new healer literally couldn't heal Living Dead without dumping everything into it for the devs to finally address it. Previously, Yoshida claimed they couldn't make any changes due to "job identity."

All of this is to say, people are getting fed up with poor balancing and gameplay decisions which take forever and a day to be acknowledged. When we only get three Savage tiers per expansion. It's understandably going to upset people when job balance is this poor throughout two of them.

I doubt any one of us thinks the dev team isn't putting a lot of work and dedication into the game. That doesn't mean we can't still criticize their decisions.