Quote Originally Posted by EriShvakh View Post
This is some "vanilla wow was hard" tier of nostalgia. Nothing in sastasha or copperbell was ever hard. It felt hard because game was new and players were bad. All ARR dungeons up to Cutter's Cry are boring tank and spank fests.

And before you go "b-but the game is easier now", just compare the difficulty between Shiva normal and Zodiark normal. And dare to tell me that shiva is harder or more complex.
With Shiva you actually have to do your individual mechanics to a degree, albeit a small one, and shiva has the reverse tankbuster thing too. This is not true for Zodiark normal as you can just follow one person with a marker over their head and clear the fight just fine. Do not forget that iLVL bloat is also a factor in things, too.