Latest Official Developer Statements About Healer DPS?

[Eisi]

The Healer dps issue seems to only be an issue for vets. Most players seem content with healers not having a lot of DPS things they have to juggle alongside healing and mechanics.

Besides, if they want that style then there's always Sage.

No reason to rock the boat just to appease some vets at the cost of the majority. Which we know that is the case considering that the easiest healers are the ones that are played the most.

One hundo percent true!

If there's one thing we know about the casual majority of players it's that they 1) play the game on the side and 2) really really care about doing maximum DPS and 3) wanna have an easy time parsing without much to think about.

Same as casual DPS players of course. Which is why we frequently hear DPS players crying about how much room for optimization there is with their kits, tanks too. They should all be like healers or preferably easier (who hasn't been having an anxiety attack because they mistimed their Dia by a second amirite fellaz? Casual time!).

And Sage is really the job for more toxic brained players, which is why they have Phlegma ballz and that's it.



The most important thing to remember is that you should never feel like the game is too big and there's too many things for you to learn or that you can improve your skill. That makes the game feel intimidating and it can't be played casually anymore - you have to always already be able to do maximum DPS - to casual players learning a game isn't rewarding, being able to become better isn't fun, it's the opposite, it ruins the fun of already being at the peak and there's nothing that casual players want more than to feel like they are among the best players, that's a casual mindset. The toxic elite doesn't understand this, because they only care about being better than everybody else and they don't like casuals being equal. They only pretend like they think a high skill ceiling is fun, in reality all they wanna do is ruin the game for casuals.

[IDontPetLalas]

The Healer dps issue seems to only be an issue for vets. First of all, what is a "vet" to you?
Most players seem content with healers not having a lot of DPS things they have to juggle alongside healing and mechanics. A "lot" doesn't mean that all options should be off the table for discussion. Nor does it mean that because some people don't want to use some skills that it should block those options for everyone who wants to have them available.

Besides, if they want that style then there's always Sage. What "style"- Sage doesn't really provide very different options from the other healers. Most of your time is going to be spent using dosis. Aside from that it's very similar to SCH.

No reason to rock the boat just to appease some vets at the cost of the majority. Again- where do you get this from? What cost? what majority?
Which we know that is the case considering that the easiest healers are the ones that are played the most. We don't "know" this - this is your hypotheis. How do you know that it's because it is because they are easier- it could be because they are the first healers available (WHM, SCH), the most appealing (lore), or perhaps because the healer has gone through so many reworks it's not really liked in its current state (AST)?

See my response this is your opinion, there have been multiple posts in the healer forums with actual metrics that run counter to this- do you have anything to back this up?

[Hyperia]

I’d love to have more healing, buffing or anything other than DPS but let’s be honest here. Those who do not want to DPS as a healer lost this argument expansions ago.

In Savage, Ultimate and possibly some Extremes, healer DPS is not only needed it’s mandatory.

I’ve accepted my lot in life as a healer, I have to DPS or else…

So here is a shovel, I’ll help you burry this dead horse, we can’t beat it anymore. DPS won, healers lost, time to move on.

Signed,
A healer who likes to heal more than DPS.

[Tint]

I would be more interested if the devs think healers should still contribute to healing or if it is okay when tanks and DDs handle it?

[Allegor]

I’d love to have more healing, buffing or anything other than DPS but let’s be honest here. Those who do not want to DPS as a healer lost this argument expansions ago.

In Savage, Ultimate and possibly some Extremes, healer DPS is not only needed it’s mandatory.

I’ve accepted my lot in life as a healer, I have to DPS or else…

So here is a shovel, I’ll help you burry this dead horse, we can’t beat it anymore. DPS won, healers lost, time to move on.

Signed,
A healer who likes to heal more than DPS.

That's kinda the paradoxical situations healers are currently in

Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all. Riveting gameplay, outstanding, genius, and not patronizing at all.

[NanaWiloh]

Until a raid out gears a Savage fight healer dps is needed. Even after it out gears the fight the healers twiddling their thumbs is not a good look.

[Astralrisk]

The Healer dps issue seems to only be an issue for vets. Most players seem content with healers not having a lot of DPS things they have to juggle alongside healing and mechanics.

Besides, if they want that style then there's always Sage.

No reason to rock the boat just to appease some vets at the cost of the majority. Which we know that is the case considering that the easiest healers are the ones that are played the most.

Adding more DPS buttons does not affect the rest of the player base at large. You can clear all casual content in this game without pressing any of your major buttons. You can play a Gunbreaker who only does there 123 combo, pressing no other buttons, and still clear any of the casual content in the game. You can even clear any casual content with "unique and different playstyles" like Ice only BLM. It only becomes a concern when you reach content that does enrages, which is the skill level where people are asking for healer dps focus. Everyone below that level of play can just ignore that aspect of playing your rotation, because the players who wouldn't care for playing on that level wouldn't be engaging in content that asks them to play at that level.

edit: also saying SGE is a damage focused healer is wrong because the only real difference between that and SGE is that faerie embrace procs off of damage GCDs and it just gets 1 extra button to press for damage which isn't anywhere near what someone consider a real damage rotation.

[BaconBits]

The Healer dps issue seems to only be an issue for vets. Most players seem content with healers not having a lot of DPS things they have to juggle alongside healing and mechanics.

Besides, if they want that style then there's always Sage.

No reason to rock the boat just to appease some vets at the cost of the majority. Which we know that is the case considering that the easiest healers are the ones that are played the most.

Every single word that leaves your disingenuous tongue makes me want to go bite a rock.

[Ivtrix]

They completely changed stance. P8S before nerf wouldve been 100% impossible to clear without healer DPS imo.

We don’t have to guess, it was mathematically impossible without healer dps

[Sebazy]

The Healer dps issue seems to only be an issue for vets. Most players seem content with healers not having a lot of DPS things they have to juggle alongside healing and mechanics.

Step back and look at how this issue has evolved over time:

Go back to ARR and HW, getting a healer that did damage was a pleasant surprise and certainly not something you would take for granted. There were plenty of reasons for this of course, Cleric Stance was a newbie trap and people will always care more about wipes than they really should, not to mention resources (both MP, aetherflow and GCDs/oGCDs) were in much shorter supply than they are today.

Fast forward to Stormblood and you started to see a real shift. Cleric Stance in it's original form was gone, WHM finally had MP to spare and all 3 healers had access to solid oGCD heals at this point. This is where the DPSing healer became the norm at all levels of endgame content rather than the exception.

Over the course of Shadowbringers and Endwalker I'd argue that it's actually become quite rare to see true near 0 damage healers. You see healers doing perhaps half of what they could be doing, but they are doing DPS nonetheless, that sort of variance is about the same was what you routinely see with DPS jobs too.

The TLDR here is that this is an issue that has progressively gathered steam and is only ever going to continue to get worse as more and more healers realise that they really don't nearly enough to do once they realise how little healing is actually needed in mainstream content.

A big part of that goes precisely against your claims TBH, can you tell me what a healer is 'juggling' in a typical 24 man boss? The tank is rarely in any sort of risk, AoEs are usually spaced at about 1 a minute. Even if people are throwing themselves into ground markers or off the side of the arena, you can only raise so quickly and so many times. So what exactly are they juggling? Their balls?

Besides, if they want that style then there's always Sage.

https://imgur.com/a/SK80tsi

1 of those is Sadge, 1 of those is another healer, can you guess which is which?

Now tell me what Sadge changes that makes it appeal to a DPS hungry healer? If your answer is, 'Interesting DPS', I invite you to expand on what makes it different to any other healer or more involving than AST for that matter.

No reason to rock the boat just to appease some vets at the cost of the majority. Which we know that is the case considering that the easiest healers are the ones that are played the most.

Every MMO hits a point where it struggles to draw in enough new players to keep the treadmill churning over. FFXIV has gotten extremely lucky both with WoW's implosion and the various lockdowns. But that luck will run out at some point. IMHO given how barren the game has been looking late on in patches over the last year or so, I'd say that time is coming sooner rather than later.