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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    My brother in Hydaelyn all I want is a couple buttons to break up the tedium of spamming a single dps spell on healers.
    If you're doing this, then you're playing wrong. Healing is the one role where I've leveled all jobs to 90, and I've spent plenty of time in the roulettes with them. The only class that plays the way you described is White Mage at level 50. Above that, however, you should be managing your lilies, pre-emptively throwing up an asylum before big AoE burst damage, and possibly maintaining a Medica II to mitigate incoming damage. On top of that you have various cooldowns that you can rotate to keep everyone healthy. It's not the game's fault that you choose to run excusively with pre-made groups of players who don't need any healing and/or that you're so fixated on damage that you're willing to leave all the healing duties to the other guy who is frantically scrambling to maintain everyone while you enjoy your one button spam.

    Every other job is even more complex than that. When I'm playing Astrologian, in particular, I'm so busy throwing out the right cards to the right players and redrawing to optimize my Astrodyne's effect that I barely have time to maintain my dot and/or throw out heals. If you find healing boring, then either you're not doing your job or you're running exclusively with well-geared, well-versed players who could probably clear most instances without a healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    If you're doing this, then you're playing wrong. Healing is the one role where I've leveled all jobs to 90, and I've spent plenty of time in the roulettes with them. The only class that plays the way you described is White Mage at level 50. Above that, however, you should be managing your lilies, pre-emptively throwing up an asylum before big AoE burst damage, and possibly maintaining a Medica II to mitigate incoming damage. On top of that you have various cooldowns that you can rotate to keep everyone healthy. It's not the game's fault that you choose to run excusively with pre-made groups of players who don't need any healing and/or that you're so fixated on damage that you're willing to leave all the healing duties to the other guy who is frantically scrambling to maintain everyone while you enjoy your one button spam.

    Every other job is even more complex than that. When I'm playing Astrologian, in particular, I'm so busy throwing out the right cards to the right players and redrawing to power up my Astrodyne that I barely have time to maintain my dot and/or throw out heals. If you find healing boring, then either you're not doing your job or you're running exclusively with well-geared, well-versed players who could probably clear most instances without a healer.
    Me, trying to figure out how you managed to come to the conclusion that I only play in pre-made groups and apparently leave all the healing to my co-healer when all I said was spamming 1 button for dps is boring



    Since we're making assumptions here, I'm going to assume you're the kind of person that slams Medica 2 at least two times for any raidwide, followed up with Assize (because you've been holding it for this very moment instead of using it on cooldown) and Asylum to patch up any minor booboos, leaving your co-healer with nothing to heal.

    Then you look at your co-healer and say "Hey, thanks for the healing NOT!" and walk out of the duty with your head held high, knowing you did a good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    [I]
    Since we're making assumptions here, I'm going to assume you're the kind of person that slams Medica 2 at least two times for any raidwide, followed up with Assize (because you've been holding it for this very moment instead of using it on cooldown) and Asylum to patch up any minor booboos, leaving your co-healer with nothing to heal.

    Then you look at your co-healer and say "Hey, thanks for the healing NOT!" and walk out of the duty with your head held high, knowing you did a good job.
    While ironically proving that there's largely no need for 2 healers in most non-high end content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    While ironically proving that there's largely no need for 2 healers in most non-high end content.
    I like how you extrapolated "when mitigating raid-wide damage" to "most non-high end content."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    Since we're making assumptions here, I'm going to assume you're the kind of person that slams Medica 2 at least two times for any raidwide, followed up with Assize (because you've been holding it for this very moment instead of using it on cooldown) and Asylum to patch up any minor booboos, leaving your co-healer with nothing to heal.
    Nope, you assumed incorrectly. Assize is pretty much a DPS skill. I don't hold it. As for Medica II, I'll follow up with Medica I only when necessary if it's a low level instance, but I prefer Afflatus Rapture as a followup if I think everyone is too low to top off without the passive regen that Medica II provides. In general, a single Medica II is good enough. I have to say that I see far more deaths when I'm running as a DPS than I do when running as a healer. It's funny how that happens when healing is supposedly as optional as you make it out to be.

    Also, I'll often commend my co-healer if I think they did a half decent job, especially if people were taking massive damage all fight long. I have no way of knowing how much everyone healed because I don't run any addons. The popular combat tracker requires administrative privileges to run, and that's a non-starter for me. If they ever build a meter into the game, I might utilize it, but I have to say that I don't miss having a DPS meter one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    If you're doing this, then you're playing wrong. Healing is the one role where I've leveled all jobs to 90, and I've spent plenty of time in the roulettes with them. The only class that plays the way you described is White Mage at level 50. Above that, however, you should be managing your lilies, pre-emptively throwing up an asylum before big AoE burst damage, and possibly maintaining a Medica II to mitigate incoming damage. On top of that you have various cooldowns that you can rotate to keep everyone healthy. It's not the game's fault that you choose to run excusively with pre-made groups of players who don't need any healing and/or that you're so fixated on damage that you're willing to leave all the healing duties to the other guy who is frantically scrambling to maintain everyone while you enjoy your one button spam.

    Every other job is even more complex than that. When I'm playing Astrologian, in particular, I'm so busy throwing out the right cards to the right players and redrawing to optimize my Astrodyne's effect that I barely have time to maintain my dot and/or throw out heals. If you find healing boring, then either you're not doing your job or you're running exclusively with well-geared, well-versed players who could probably clear most instances without a healer.
    I've never seen someone out themselves as an overhealer with such confidence, such self assurance, such absolute conviction and thorough belief that they know better than us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anhaato View Post
    I've never seen someone out themselves as an overhealer with such confidence, such self assurance, such absolute conviction and thorough belief that they know better than us.
    How would you know whether or not you're an overhealer without breaking ToS by using an addon that I've never used? Also, I've never seen a normal raid wipe due to overhealing. Who is really outing themselves here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    How would you know whether or not you're an overhealer without breaking ToS by using an addon that I've never used? Also, I've never seen a normal raid wipe due to overhealing. Who is really outing themselves here?
    My brother in Christ you literally listed out bad healing practices. I don't need an add-on to know that you're wrong when you say that medica 2 should be applied preemptively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    How would you know whether or not you're an overhealer without breaking ToS by using an addon that I've never used? Also, I've never seen a normal raid wipe due to overhealing.
    Because most fights follow a very set pattern for their attacks, and as a healer you'll learn when the party-wide AoEs are coming up, and when it's best to use your HoTs. Maintaining a constant Medica II to counter basic damage is going to end up with massive overhealing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    How would you know whether or not you're an overhealer without breaking ToS by using an addon that I've never used? Also, I've never seen a normal raid wipe due to overhealing. Who is really outing themselves here?
    You do have a party list with HP bars, right?
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