Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Semirhage]

I'm not concerned about Cure 3. The Job actions look offset from their positions in the Mizzteq video, so it was probably moved to the level 40 slot there.

[javid]

Everything else in your post is noise and distraction.

Ugh notice the argument was of potential vs potential. Let's say a dire situation where one healer just died and the other healer is MP dry and there is a sequence of raid dmg inc. 30 sec a MP regen Won't by itself offer much anything to keep that progression process going, meanwhile a 1min or even a 1min and 30 sec of MP regen could be the difference between a salvaged clear and a wipe. A very common occurence mind you.


Why do I keep comparing a none Dpsing healer to a dpsing healer?????? B/C THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOOOOOTTTTTTT DPPPPSSSSSSS. So it doesn't matter if the top WHM would be out-classed by the top AST. The VAST MAJORITY of the healing community will not be able to replicated the advantages that AST poses over WHM in terms of raid dps. Why are you purposely missing this point??

Example if you had a car that could max out at 150 mph and all your neighbors had cars that could max out at 240 mph!! But NONE OF YOU go to the race tracks.... what does it matter that their car has higher potential then yours? Both you and your neighbors only drive in the city at 45mph and on the highway at 80mph. Arguing with the manufacturer to increase the max speed of your model is useless!!! And it WON'T matter until you or your neighbors start pushing your respective cars toward their maxes!!

Plainly stated....and I've stated plainly several several times now, the disparity between WHM and AST dps isn't something the vast majority of healers take advantage of. And until they start taking advantage of the dps disparity as a WHOLE SE isn't gonna bother allocating a ton of resources to fix a "problem" only a sliver of the community is experiencing. SE is more concerned with the FACT that all healer jobs in general are under achieving and they're implementing changes that will assist with that performance gap-simplifying the healer role, changing cleric function, etc.


Also it might be a sign of a failed argument when you can't state any points but you're nothing short of a myriad of insults....GG. How about refuting the points instead of just scoffing and saying it's "noise and distraction"??

So far you were wrong about the 10x better
Still hopeful about the RDM mana
And completely neglected the fact that the majority of healers can't dps ...
And you've only posed concern for the optimal player base that can consistently demonstrate AST's superiority in raid DPS over that of WHM's (a small portion of the healing community)

Another small change that's likely on the way that I've seen most people miss- Piety is no longer going to be a primary stat. This means AST and SCH are probably going to get that MND party bonus they've been complaining about forever.

RIPPPPP as a BLM, I live and die on that MP tick during Umbral ice, which is only offset by having adequate MP going into umbral ice to immediately cast thunder1 (soon to be thunder III) right after bliz 3. If raid loses that additional Piety that just mean BLM's everywhere will have to save meld slots for Piety

[Semirhage]

Another small change that's likely on the way that I've seen most people miss- Piety is no longer going to be a primary stat. This means AST and SCH are probably going to get that MND party bonus they've been complaining about forever.

[CaeliaCat]

How about refuting the points instead of just scoffing and saying it's "noise and distraction"??

I did refute your points, and your post is still full of noise and distraction. By the time your hypothetical party gets to the point in a fight where a healer is dead and the other is low on MP, they likely already had 1.5 minutes of "refresh" playing. No halfway decent bard is going to hang on to "refresh" until the very last second a healer needs MP. Or you know, a caster can give them MP. Or maybe an AST can draw a Ewer. 6 classes are capable of giving MP to others.

Your analogy is also asinine. So you're saying that if a healer wants to go win on the "race track", they need to select the "better car". You realize many more people go to that "race track" than you'd like to admit? 15-20% of JP players cleared Creator Savage by early March. Yes, that's more than the NA servers on average, but it doesn't change the fact that the development team should not be giving faster "cars" to certain classes when very simple fixes would actually balance the healer classes.

My concern as you put it, is some semblance of balance for all healers in ALL content. YOUR concern appears to be trolling the forums and only caring about expert roulette dungeons, if you actually care about anything at all.

[Verdan]

keep in mind cure 3 is literally the only thing we have that other healers don't now
that and plenary indulgence?

[javid]

My concern as you put it, is some semblance of balance for all healers in ALL content. YOUR concern appears to be trolling the forums and only caring about expert roulette dungeons, if you actually care about anything at all.

bruh... you already lost when you attempted to marginalize my posts to "expert roulette and dungeons" .... GG. And you've yet to refute any points. you were WRONG about the 10X better.... You were WRONG about 1min of mage ballad during a dire situation NOT being extremely common and practical over that of that 30 sec. And Notice you're attempt to shift from the losing argument of current mage's ballad mp advantages compared to new brd/mch MP regens utilities into a point that " 6 jobs offer mp"--b/c somewhere in one of my posts I said something to oppose that 6 jobs have mp regen options??

Also it appears you're unable to understand my analogy??? When did I say "if a healer wants to go win on the 'race track', they need to select the 'better car.' " ????

You mean after I belabored the point b4 the analogy and belabored the point after the analogy somehow... you manage to still miss it???

How you equated "race track" with raiding is part of some other analogy you're pulling from somewhere else but not my posts.

My analogy was simple:

Whm= 170 max MPH
AST= 240 max MPH
race track= unlocking your max MPH (DPS)
city limit= the nominal healer dps in dungeon
highway limit= the nominal healer dps in ex/raid

Clearing raid has no bearing on healer dps, how and why you made such a comparison beats me.... BC SE has clearly stated they have designed ALL content to be cleared if BOTH healers should choose to contributed 0 personal dps.... And the majority of healers CHOOOSE to do ZERO DPS...

Remind me what are the points you have refuted again??

There is no city limit or highway limit. You CAN run as fast as your car lets you, and the WHM car goes slower. I award you no points, and everyone is now dumber for reading your post.

6 other jobs can give MP to party members. True or false? I don't care if you, as a RDM, would RATHER not. They can, and if they decide not give up 20 percent of their MP in your hypothetical situation of an immanent wipe, they are bad players. And by the time that immanent wipe comes for most parties, it's late in the fight, where the healers have would have ALREADY listened to a minute or a minute and a half of refresh, which more that most healers ever hear now, even during progression.

Again, I care about balanced healers in all content. You're obviously on the forums arguing trying to make yourself feel better.

More evidence of a failed argument.... but I guess that's the best you can do....

Oh, oh? Now you wanna go into the True or False statements.....

True or false : New brd/mch MP regen is not 10x better than current in terms of MP regen?
Ture or false : 1 min of mage ballad is not only common but extremely practical in a dire situation?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...s_across_jobs/
True or false: a Dire situation isn't defined by a gradual usage of mp throughout a fight but is when a healer or a number of party members die suddenly which would render all previous MP regens obtain before this dire event marginally relevant.
True or false: the majority of healers DO NOT DPS?
True or false: you've long lost this discussion and trying to find some pedantic way to remain relevant?
True or false: you've not yet reminded me what points you've refuted??
True or false: the only ppl getting dumber are the ppl that had no sense to begin with??

[CaeliaCat]

More trolling.

There is no city limit or highway limit. You CAN run as fast as your car lets you, and the WHM car goes slower. I award you no points, and everyone is now dumber for reading your post.

6 other jobs can give MP to party members. True or false? I don't care if you, as a RDM, would RATHER not. They can, and if they decide not give up 20 percent of their MP in your hypothetical situation of an imminent wipe, they are bad players. And by the time that imminent wipe comes for most parties, it's late in the fight, where the healers have would have ALREADY listened to a minute or a minute and a half of refresh, which is much more than most healers ever hear now, even during progression.

Again, I care about balanced healers in all content. You're obviously on the forums arguing trying to make yourself feel better.

[KDSilver]

Actually, just one little thing about the healers's dps.
Except Scholar, White Mage and Astrologian will deal damage whether they want it or not (since now the damages scaling is on mind)

Assize for WHM, Earthly Star and The Lord for Astrologian. (and we can't choose between the lady or the lord).
So they'll never be zero dps healer ever again

[Gemina]

You know what I love? I just LOVE having abilities taken away from me! It feels great! Just take everything away and give it to other people, and then tell me to sit down, shut up, and stop crying because it's not that bad and here's a shiny ball (except it's actually a shiny ball covered in bull crap. Yes, there's a shiny inside, but I have to muck about with a bunch of bull crap to get there). It's my absolute most favorite thing in the world. SOOO glad that you and so many others came along to make it happen

/s

Glad I can help

In all seriousness, your post sounds exactly like the whiney statements the devs are plugging their ears to. Yup, they've taken everything from you, leaving you to blame lil 'ol me for your woes. Are you going to unsub now?

[Gemina]

Various raid/savage examples...

Correction: WAS our strongest AoE heal. Now you have to figure out your way around it, assuming it is truly gone. It's not like I never casted cure 3 even in the content I run. I am not denying that it can be useful. Please don't mistake my words. I would use this ability when it was optimal to do so. Unfortunately, the windows hardly presented themselves, and even if it did and I missed it, I found another way. You are a healer, and from what I understand about this role in the amount of time I've been doing it, is you play it optimally by making the most opportune decision according to the situation, at any given time. Go ahead and correct me if I am wrong.

Also, when did I ever compare my experiences with savage content? Did I not implicitly state how far my experience goes? Do you see me weighing examples of one content to another? No no, my friend. Let me ask you to not use your savage clears as a means to discredit my posts. I fully acknowledge that I speak for the other 95% of content in this game, and if you want to shove the other 5% down my throat and tell me it's the only content that matters, our interactions end right there. Despite my self criticism I consider myself a pretty good healer, and I know I am capable of assisting with clearing savage content. But you only need read through various posts in this thread to know exactly why I stay away from it. As for Earthly Star, ASTs needed something comparable to Assize, 'nuff said.

If you truly feel that Cure 3 is needed in savage, then I will believe you. I can imagine how great it would be to say over voice chat, "stack for cure 3" and everyone listens. I mean, that's amazing! But it is still presumably gone. So what are you going to do? Sulk? Unsub? Or be innovative and figure out a way around it? If your highly coordinated efforts are even half of what you say they are, you'll find a way. Myself, and the devs have faith in this. I've been part of several mmos, and have raided in other games, so I have somewhat of an idea. That said, I know the playerbase is intelligent enough to figure things out.

It's going to be ok. Ok?