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    Ayer Austen
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    Ok, so I finished leveling WHM and I really liked the changes until I hit 70. 20% chance of procing Confession stacks feels bad, and the 30sec duration even worse.
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    Rin Tin
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    I have to admit the fact we are already solo healing the new extreme primals means that an AST is all you should ever take. Buffing up the party's damage while allowing the other healer slot to be a DPS couldn't be any more optimized for damage. What a joke this expansion is for healers so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xNewbx View Post
    I have to admit the fact we are already solo healing the new extreme primals means that an AST is all you should ever take. Buffing up the party's damage while allowing the other healer slot to be a DPS couldn't be any more optimized for damage. What a joke this expansion is for healers so far.
    You are solo healing with a good group.... The average group will need two healers
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    Nanaki Naki
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Let's look at the bright side. At least we already know what WHM is getting in 5.0.

    - Stone V
    - Aero IV
    - A 10th healing spell.
    - 2 more traits worth of lilies due to button bloat fears.
    This is the scary thing, given the track record of SE you just know most of the new spells in the future will be using Lillies or the confession system. A lot like how they use FATEs and Hunts.
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    Nixx Delumi
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    So now that I'm 70 on WHM and have played with the new stuff a bit, there are two big changes I'd like to see:
    1. Give us a Dark Arts style ability for lily consumption. The RNG makes it difficult to use Benison, as several key abilities that see regular use consume the lilies whether I want them to or not.
    2. Make the Confessions for Plenary Indulgence more consistent. If the ability needs to be retuned a bit to compensate, that's fine, but the buffs are so inconsistent I can't really count on the heal being there when I need it, so it becomes something I basically just spam on CD with a 1 stack, which is to say I'd never miss the healing it offers if it simply didn't exist and I use it more for the sake of using it to feel like I stuck it to RNGesus and the game than I do because it's helpful. Additionally, the UI is not well suited to keeping track of Confessions durations on others, further increasing the difficulty of making good use of this ability.
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    If Divine Benison didn't have a lily requirement, I would use it for every tankbuster. But gating it behind RNG or a required cure II... just really limits its potential.
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    Kara Dusksinger
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    If Divine Benison didn't have a lily requirement, I would use it for every tankbuster. But gating it behind RNG or a required cure II... just really limits its potential.
    Yeah, noticed this in susanoo ex, got a divine out on the tank maybe 1/2 the time for the tankbuster, main problem nothing can do to gain a lily while everyone is healed or when you have to use a lily quickly one something else like a tetra or assize... Also noticed when stuff starts hitting the fan definitely find medicas, cure III, and regans far more reliable than cure and cure II, so lily production pretty much vanishes during those heavy mechanic moments. Another thing noticing not really using Plenary all that much, way too useless, sometime get lucky using it maybe once or twice in the fight to save a tiny MP but... in the moment it actually seems better to just use the cure or cure II for a stupid lily instead... so yeah...
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    Ceasaria Pheonixia
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    Moogle
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    If Divine Benison didn't have a lily requirement, I would use it for every tankbuster. But gating it behind RNG or a required cure II... just really limits its potential.
    It's different from a stoneskin or a shield.
    Your co healer (Ast or Sch) will use shield before a tank buster.
    Divine Bension is for after a tankbuster.

    The way how it's designed (locked behind Lilies), I use Cure II + Divine Bension after a tankbuster, not before.
    It's a good maneer to prevent the tank to die with an auto-attack, or other damages after.
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    Erakir Pompop
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    It's different from a stoneskin or a shield.
    Your co healer (Ast or Sch) will use shield before a tank buster.
    Divine Bension is for after a tankbuster.

    The way how it's designed (locked behind Lilies), I use Cure II + Divine Bension after a tankbuster, not before.
    It's a good maneer to prevent the tank to die with an auto-attack, or other damages after.
    I am definitely using DB all the time as it is and generally have no qualms with it, except -

    The biggest issue with this will continue to be that pre-healing does not generate a lily as the mechanic is currently coded with the network (as multiple people have reported), so to do this after a tankbuster you need to have already generated a lily via topping off or sitting on it, or you have to delay your Cure 2 long enough for it to register, which leaves more time for the auto attack to happen afterward, helping negate the shield's (and Cure's) entire purpose in that scenario of "survive the 2 seconds of burst." If you have to generate it before, you may as well just shield before the buster, which I've been doing with regular success in Susano. It also gets the cooldown rolling slightly faster.

    We can work around it, but this exact scenario of cure 2 + immediate DB on an already full-hp-tank does not play out how it ideally should if you're pre-healing tankbusters. Better hope you get to be the one to top the tank off.

    It's certainly extra mitigation if you're popping it 2-3s after a tankbuster, sure, but at that point it's just another heal/tetra/PI since the tank is already down x-hp. Not that that's bad or anything, perfectly fine to use it as exactly that very often.
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    Last edited by Erakir; 06-30-2017 at 05:32 AM.

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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    After thinking on it a bit, I would suggest this change to Divine Benison:

    Instead of Requiring a lily: If you have no lilies, make it cost 1200 mp (same cost as cure II). If you have 1+ lilies, it costs no MP. I think this would give it the reliability a mitigation shield needs in high end content, while still keeping a resource cost. Or, honestly, even making it cost 1440 MP (Adlo cost) would probably be fine... just so long as there is an alternative to paying lilies.
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    Last edited by Risvertasashi; 06-26-2017 at 10:16 PM.

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