Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Apparently the dev team actually wanted to remove protect from the game too lol.

Twinfinite: For all of the actions that were removed, the development team clearly believed it was for the better that they were gone. However is there a job action that you will miss or something that you maybe tried to save from being removed but were overruled?

Yoshida: The opposite was true [he successfully saved one]. The Protect spell, there were talks within the dev team that “oh we don’t want this anymore” and he (Yoshida-san) felt that as Final Fantasy you have got to have that spell [Protect]. It would be weird if we didn’t have it.

http://twinfinite.net/2017/06/ffxiv-interview-e3-2017/

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Apparently the dev team actually wanted to remove protect from the game too lol.

That honestly wouldn't even be that much of a loss. Since it's got a 100% uptime anyway, except after death, what difference does having it implemented in the game or not make?

I kind of wish they did get rid of Protect since it's a spell that doesn't really impact the combat experience in a meaningful way. Or if not removed, have it reworked to function similar to the upcoming PvP version.

My guess is protect got nerfed. Being a constant 15% increase to stat defenses now, I wouldn't be surprised if it went down to 5% in SB.

Originally Posted by Gemina

I've only done EX primals as far as more-difficult content goes,

And that's the thing cure was abundantly useful in savage. Double jumps in A1S, Cascade and 6 splashs in a3s, the 3rd and 4th mortal revolution in a4s, brawlers ball phase in a6s, vortexer's water mechanic in a6s, sizzlespark spam in a7s, long needles, j kick, and jawaves in a8s, photon into whirlwind and double whirlwind in a11s, double megaholies and holy bleed into mega holy in a12s. It may be a niche move but there were numerous times to use it during savage.

Originally Posted by Gemina

Hmm. What's all the fuss with Cure 3? Hasn't a major part of the dismay towards WHM been that giving WHM more heals instead of raid utility a major flaw? You feel like they just keep pruning WHM? So will the argument now be, "not only did they not receive raid utility, but they also took away Cure 3"? It seems that the arguments adapt according to the tooltip. Interesting.

I've only done EX primals as far as more-difficult content goes, and the best use I got out of it was when both myself and the MT and/or OT needed to be healed. Due to mechanics and heavy movement, I could never reliably cure all of those who needed it, and it frustrated me to no end when players would run out of range, and felt like a total waste of MP. Overcure, was also very unreliable. In short, I've NEVER needed this ability unless I wanted to increase my overheal % or waste MP. I've brought back myself and 7 others from the brink of death many times without it, and will continue to do so.

On a more friendly note, perhaps with the upcoming elimination of the class system in a future expansion, perhaps it was indeed moved to job skills.

A11S, A12S and many more are just a few examples of fight where Cure III was actually quite handy to have, some of them are primals. Or fights where it was actually needed to cure 2+ people from away, like the last Faust battle in A9S. Maltothoris above gave a pretty good and much more complete list
Also, please stop comparing a run with randoms to one with a coordinated group using voice chat. There are WOLRDS between, and if you meet someone who consistently stands outside your heal range in the latter when the strategy demands for you to cuddle, chance is that the person will be kicked from the static anyway because they are a liability.
Besides, Cure III, as I mentionend earlier, is not only our strongest, but also our FASTEST group heal, having the same cast time as our ST heals, which actually makes it a very good option in your formerly described heavy movement fights, when there is little time to cure people. Sure, those situations can be healed differently too, but why press 2+ buttons and get skills like Assize, which you might need later on, on CD if you got the ultimate cure bomb available?

Besides, yes, we don't need more heals; doesn't mean we can just get rid of WHM heals and give AST even more incredibly powerful ones like Earthly Star, though, LOL...

Originally Posted by Gemina

Hmm. What's all the fuss with Cure 3? Hasn't a major part of the dismay towards WHM been that giving WHM more heals instead of raid utility a major flaw? You feel like they just keep pruning WHM? So will the argument now be, "not only did they not receive raid utility, but they also took away Cure 3"? It seems that the arguments adapt according to the tooltip. Interesting.

You know what I love? I just LOVE having abilities taken away from me! It feels great! Just take everything away and give it to other people, and then tell me to sit down, shut up, and stop crying because it's not that bad and here's a shiny ball (except it's actually a shiny ball covered in bull crap. Yes, there's a shiny inside, but I have to muck about with a bunch of bull crap to get there). It's my absolute most favorite thing in the world. SOOO glad that you and so many others came along to make it happen

/s

Originally Posted by BroodingFicus

The thing to notice about the PI tooltip is that even though the first part says 'restores hp of all nearby party members' and that the potency is effected by confessions stacks, that doesn't mean a small heal that gets more powerful with stacks because, notice there is no base heal amount listed. It starts at 400 for one stack with no effect otherwise. Unfortunately.

Also, it wouldn't make any sense for the recipient of the cure to gain the stack if every party member got hit anyway. Then the stack would logically go to the WHM themselves. I thought about that myself for a bit, but I read it as only the people with at least one stack get actually healed by the ability.