Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

So yeah... just tried the last fight of the story... had 2 WHM... we failed it five times before we gave up (DF party). It's a crazy fight... it was so hard to keep everyone up without something there to give mitigation (sch/ast bubbles or something). The level 70 ability is absolutely worthless. Can't even use it in a fight like that where so much damage is constantly dished out. Maybe it'll be easier with fewer new players to the duty, but man... the HW final fight was nothing compared to this thing...

Update (Round 2): Win (1st time)

But was with a lot of vets of the fight so a lot less damage being done. No abilities to absorb/buffer damage really hurts though.

It hurts even when you do have it. I ran with a SCH and we still couldn't keep up. We beat it on the 4th run once we finally started to learn the mechanics and damage done to players was significantly reduced. It's a fight that healers can't carry inexperienced players though.

Divine Benison is a bad skill because of its flawed implementation. It is designed to be cast at one lily, but you only gain lilies when you are actively healing single target damage. You know, the thing a shield exists to prevent. Because it consumes all lilies, you cannot wait to cast it before a designated tank buster, because chances are if you have any lilies at all you're supposed to want to use them on a cooldown reduction.

It should not require lilies to cast, but instead have its cooldown reduced by the effect the same as the other OGCDs.
Also lilies are a bad mechanic. Trying to plan around them leaves you feeling stunted, and their effect is not actually all that strong. 3 lilies is the same as a card that Asts light on fire all the time, that's not a powerful effect.

Haven't gotten to play with it yet, but the biggest problem I have with Plenary Indulgence is that the chances are too low, and it's too many things piggybacking off Cure. I need to single target heal DPS people in order to maybe get stacks that can be used to AoE heal people within a certain timeline? That's just clunky and inefficient. Lillies are already working off Cure. Confessions shouldn't also work off Cure, especially not at a laughably unlikely chance.

PI should either use lillies (and ditch confessions entirely), or confessions should come from something that isn't currently already granting something else. Like, say, Regen/Medica II applications. I always thought that was a thing we were supposed to be doing, but the 4.0 design seems to be really big on "Cure for absolutely everything". The odds need to go way up as well, so you might actually ever have more than one on someone who isn't the main tank (let alone the 6 people who will usually have zero).

Just got Divine Bension. Honestly I was keeping my hopes up for it, that maybe it would work really well with the Lily System and be worth using.

Not only is it weak garbage that's hit off in about 2 auto attacks or so, but it being 15 seconds means you can't even preshield between pulls. It has to be at the moment the pull starts.
And tough luck if you were saving lilies for Assize, Bension just eliminates it all, which is so odd seeing how it doesn't get any stronger at all.
It's such a clunky and unnecessary skill to deal with when every other healer has this same spell on the GCD, not locked behind layers or RNG.

I haven't even gotten confessions yet, but at this point I've lost all faith of the lily system being any good.

Some more thoughts on whm changes. I wrote a suggestion for another added skill, these are some other suggestions running through my head, mayhap some will find them inspiring or to think on what may be the best approach to whm.

I've been playing PVP whm and honestly i think it works pretty good:

1.) add stoneskin back as a "pvp protect" style skill. pvp protect on whm reduces damage on the target by 25% (?) for some amount of time, instant cast. i mean it would be useful in pve no? this could be stoneskin in pve and since divine benison is a thing this would work well.
2.) up percentage of shield on divine benison. I say *at least* 25% as it is in pvp.
3.) up the reduction of OGC by lilies. pvp goes up to 50% i don't see why this can't be a thing in pve as well.
3.) just make plenary indulgence affect the whole party with or without a confession stack. So if you have 0 confessions stacks on you, maybe like 300 potency or less even just so it does *something* then gaining stacks just increases the potency.

i've noticed that it seems dungeons and trials have been more heal intensive. so i'm guessing that is what SE had in mind while making whm, and it guess it makes sense, but still needs a buff i think.

Originally Posted by Maltothoris

Well, time to wait for the raid and just how far behind the Whm falls there if the fights don't have the design of the Whm in mind.

I can tell you what's going to happen. WHMs issues are going to be brushed aside because they're considered "viable" as healers.
It happened in 3.4, a d I bet you it'll happen now.

This is beginning to get ridiculous. It really feels like they have something against WHM to where they refuse to give them anything good.
I mean, seriously. Taking away Stoneskin and then bringing it back as a 30s CD lily system mechanic? Jesus