Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

**Vaelin** · 06-05-2017 05:54 AM

There will forever be people who feel they're entitled to shove uneducated or provocative opinions in any public medium that they can, purely for the sake of stirring the pot or trying to be "edgy". All I can say, on behalf of everyone here who wishes to have a proper and productive conversation and analysis of WHM's current situation, is you are not welcome here if your "thoughts" equate to overly hostile and baseless statements that don't further the discussion.

**Keridwyn** · 06-05-2017 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Saigo

Every heal loose a bit of ther kit in it but it's made to make strategic choice in a 8 man party. If you need them all for a 4 man party that's a shame but you should consider playing something else.

And so what less button to press frustrate you ? The class will be noob friendly cause of dat ? Don't make me laught counting pet embrace and cards dude respectyourself pls. x'D

So you don't consider Balance an ability worth counting? Nope I am done with you. You are welcome to your opinons but it is clear you are not here to contribute.

**magnanimousCynic** · 06-05-2017 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Saigo

No one speak about assize & benediction raw CD to balance.

Because their new Recast timers (60 seconds and 180 seconds) are not gated by RNG, so what is there to really talk about?

Originally Posted by Saigo

No one speak about the free mana cost for 12 sec.

Again it's a buff to WHM's toolkit not gated by RNG and we all love it due to it helping with MP recovery and giving free damage/healing. Again, Not much to speak of here.

Originally Posted by Saigo

No one even consider the actual change that cleric stance modification will impact every heal.

Do you mean our damage being shifted to MND-scaling and/or the new CS being a damage buff? Either way I don't see how it impacts our healing.

Originally Posted by Saigo

You're only considering WHM apart from the others not the pary synergy or the impact of the dpsing aspect heals in general will have in raid.

None of WHM's skills, new and old, have ANY synergy with any other Job. No party buffs, no resistance type downs. None. I'm not counting Role Actions since they're not WHM-exclusive.

Originally Posted by Saigo

I see 180 page of nonsense launched by ppl that haven't done a Savage turn before nerf and that will do the same at 4.0 that make me cry out of laught.

Making quite a lot of assumptions, are you? Have YOU done Creator Savage pre-echo? Because your fflogs only show AST and SCH with clears of A9S and A10S post-Echo. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But that's besides the point, we're hitting a new level cap. Creator Savage, along with Gordias and Midas, will become much easier due to Unsync trivializing a majority of healer and DPS requirements.

**ToasterMan** · 06-05-2017 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Saigo

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So you're telling me that me being passed over constantly trying to pug simply because my main was WHM is all in my imagination?

Seriously? The difference is huge in the content were it matters

**Elamys** · 06-05-2017 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Keridwyn

So you don't consider Balance an ability worth counting? Nope I am done with you. You are welcome to your opinons but it is clear you are not here to contribute.

If we're talking about abilities in terms of buttons to press, then counting cards would be silly, but nobody is talking about number of abilities that way I don't think lol

**Subasu** · 06-05-2017 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Saigo

Curse this 1k post limit

Making suggestions do not always require a use of numbers and equations and theorycrafting. People have made many suggestions based around the CLASS and not what end game needs. WHMs have traditionally struggled for mana. Even with largeesse (which we dunno if we can afford to take with the cross role system for something else needed as well) and Thin air, will that cover our MP needs? This is why I chose the lilies to reduce MP 5, 10, 15% respectively. Using Lilies would ENHANCE skills not reduce cooldown duration. You don't need to see the class in action to know what will benefit the class and help give it a place in the meta. You just need to understand the CLASS.

**Keridwyn** · 06-05-2017 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Saigo

Yeah, I count every card as only 1 abitity and give it the RNG king label cause you can't count on Balance EVERY time.

That still doesn't address the original four skill disparity then. Each of the other healers has more skills leading to more utility. If they are going to tack on WHM RNG I would like to see to backed up with it's own set of utility. Otherwise remove the RNG for consistancy. That's what you call class balance.

Originally Posted by Elamys

If we're talking about abilities in terms of buttons to press, then counting cards would be silly, but nobody is talking about number of abilities that way I don't think lol

Oh heavens no, button wise we are down four. My point is behind the RNG and other mechanics the other classes have utility while WHM doesnt. Consistantly big heals have been our selling point and now we are becoming a little less consistant.

**Aurum** · 06-05-2017 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by javid

....Didn't I clearly and repeatedly state that SCH is a bad example as a off healer? They get free pet GCD equal to 300 potency embraces... of course if u have 3 healers total, whm is gonna do less curess (less healing in general). What's more funny is the number of drones up voting when they clearly missed the point.... I said several times the examples can not use a SCH as Off healer b/c the pet does the majority of the single target healing; go to that same parse you listed...........and open the sch healing tab and count the number of embraces the pets spam.......now imagine if it wasn't there? or better yet whats the equivalent of replacing those um-teen embraces in Cures/regens and alike?? This is not an example that contrary to the points i made in my post.... this was just an attempt at a cheap shots

SCH PET CASTED 89 300 POTENCY EMBRACEs.........how many cures did you expect the whm to add to that??

Here is an example with a WHM/AST combo, in which the WHM does just over 60% of the healing:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dp7H6...f=1&source=129

The whm in this log has 8 casts of med2 and 8 casts of regen totaling 16 casts.
In the same log, the whm casts cure 6 times and cure2 4 times totaling 10 casts.

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

**Estriella_Faerie** · 06-05-2017 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Aurum

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

You made me laugh so much ! To further your point, in that whole fight you linked, there were 10 casts of cure, which would only, on average, give 2 lilies on the total duration of the fight, not even 3 lilies. And that's considering that no spell using them would be cast for the whole fight. But it's not what happened, as there was 4 Asylum, 5 Assize and 3 Tetra. And that's with the current CD on those skills, which some will be lowered on 4.0.

But on this parse, we can see more casts of spells that consume all lilies, than of cures to get a chance to get one lily...

**Subasu** · 06-05-2017 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Aurum

Here is an example with a WHM/AST combo, in which the WHM does just over 60% of the healing:

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/dp7H6...f=1&source=129

The whm in this log has 8 casts of med2 and 8 casts of regen totaling 16 casts.
In the same log, the whm casts cure 6 times and cure2 4 times totaling 10 casts.

My point here is NOT that med2 and regen are more important than cure and cure2, my point is that it's easy to find logs to support almost any position.
Why do I say it's easy? Because I only looked at one person's logs for these: Yours.

You are my hero

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