Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[StrejdaTom]

Should have quoted a post where he was referring to me then.



There's that inaccurate logic again. Want me to quote some posts for you that didn't agree with me, but I didn't accuse them of not reading my post?

I'm only accusing people of not reading who post things that show they haven't read :P. I haven't been repeating myself for fun.

Well unlike you, I am sure that Seiryuukishi will get the message.
The point of my post would be definitely the same even if I didn't quote it. I usually do it to make sure the adressee notices it and knows that I am talking to him. I am not going to scroll 3 pages back to satisfy you.

Edit: Well with all the "you didn't read my post" repeating it seems to me that it is just something you say to yourself so you can fall a sleep at night. Not everyone will always agree with you, so you should better get used to it.

[myahele]

There's this thread going on too: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/67805...eborn/71758124

[nuyu11]

Snip.

I didn't read all the post, all these words are hurting my retina.
No! we should agree the victim

[Krylo]

There's this thread going on too: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/67805...eborn/71758124

Not sure how that relates to this?

Also: Lol, monk don't have good AoE. Perf Balance -> Rockbreaker = 5 Rockbreakers right out the gate at 130 potency with GL 3 for the last two, then invigorate -> if 5 + enemies in pull Arm of Destroyer -> Twin Snakes -> Rock breaker, etc. Once TP gets low again just start spreading dots if you're not geared that well, or if you were at that point just wipe up the stragglers with a normal combo or three. It might not match BLM or proper drg AoE (beats the DRGs that spam unprocced ring of thorns instead of doom spike, though), but it's definitely good enough to make large pulls worthwhile.

Though I'll grant to that guy, whomever he may be, that a lot of monks don't do that and just go bootshine, twin snake, snap punch, dragonkick, true strike, snap punch ad infinitum. If you're lucky maybe they demolish some dudes. So, you know. Fair assessment to make, I guess.

[StrejdaTom]

"I don't think you understand how the tank's role works."
"I believe people are getting the wrong idea then. Not surprised given how clear it is that some haven't even read much into this topic."
"SE's design of the tanking role seems to insinuate that they should have the final say in this matter."
"Me, as the person intended to do pulls by SE, choosing to do pulls as I want in the event of a tie, rather than give the other side what they want does not make me entitled, especially after being demanded and told pretty much "you are our slave" unless you consider the role itself entitled.
"This concept should have been learned in school, so I'll assume you know it's meaning?"
"I wish I knew Japanese and didn't have terrible internet, I feel like I belong on a JP server lately."
"Guessing you didn't reach much of my post."
"It's sad I have to defend myself in this way from you, and sad that you're getting likes. If only people would read a little more."
"Please re-read. I think you missed many points in my posts."
"If I am coming off as "entitled" from my responses to people as you say, it's probably because so many people are missing things that I've said, and some are manipulating the meanings of my words to suit their ends."
"Yet another sensational post, sure to gather the likes of the easily entertained and sure to ignore any relevant points. Kudos to you, sir."
"Please, for the love of the gods, READ."
"Yep, you are being a sensationalist. Because you're ignoring the facts. There was a tie. I was the tank. It's my job to pull, so I pulled. The dps pulled too, but that's not his job."
"If I am the tank, my vote should be the tiebreaker if mob pulling is the problem."
"Well, like I said. You reap what you sow. This community has lost one good tank who is willing to do clears if treated like a human being."
"Have a nice day, you just proved my point. If you aren't willing to read, then please do not post with the tenacity of someone who has read. Choosing to be ignorant about something and then speaking about it anyways is not a good thing to do."
"You didn't read anything I said or only picked out what you wanted to acknowledge."
"There is no hypocrisy here friend. Read a bit more, and you'd know!"

Definition of entitlement: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges). As you said that SE chose you to be tiebreaker as a tank.. well.. the definition..

Even if you are right or not, people will call you entitled if you act like entitled. Unforunately 40 pages weren't enough for you to get it and other 40 wouldn't be enought too. And I wanted not to scroll back 3 pages lol. Definitely worth it.

[Adire]

Well unlike you, I am sure that Seiryuukishi will get the message.
The point of my post would be definitely the same even if I didn't quote it. I usually do it to make sure the adressee notices it and knows that I am talking to him. I am not going to scroll 3 pages back to satisfy you.

Edit: Well with all the "you didn't read my post" repeating it seems to me that it is just something you say to yourself so you can fall a sleep at night. Not everyone will always agree with you, so you should better get used to it.

I'm not just saying it to comfort myself. Like I said, I'd be more than happy to show you proof that plenty of people haven't been reading. And I'd be happy to show you posts from people who disagreed with me that I did not accuse of failing to read.

Who needs proof though right? Just be you, believe what you want to believe.

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Then I guess we're all entitled if we do our jobs by that logic then, huh? If a monk feels they should be able to use Fists of Fire and DPS instead of being expected to use Earth and tank, they're entitled by that logic. If a WHM wants to heal instead of letting the SMN do it while the WHM is expected to DPS, they're entitled too. We'd see very quickly how good this logic works in play.

At least I do things within the realm of my job rather than overstep my boundaries, unlike what some seem to be saying is okay to do.

I'm never going to say it's okay for DPS to have as much right to pull mobs as tanks. If that makes me entitled, so be it. But last time I checked, tanks were not giving themselves "special privileges" by simply doing their job of pulling during a tie.

[StrejdaTom]

Well when there is a voting, doesn't matter if it is a vote kick, vote abandon or vote of a new president, usually vote of every person has the same weight but now you are here telling that you are a tie breaker.
I haven't seen anyone from SE confirming that and a common sense tells me that world doesn't work like that either.
You are entitled to try to break the tie and don't care about 50% of people that don't agree with you but if the healer is in the other half.. good luck with that.

[Adire]

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I've already addressed this with an analogy.

A dps trying to make the final call on that in a tie when it is in no way part of their role's intended function is like an amateur photographer being in the room with 2 other photographers and one surgeon who are all given equal role rights in the surgery. Should they all be considered equal in rights as human beings? Yes. Should they all be considered equal in rights for deciding how a surgery should proceed? No.

Would you want the photographers being equal to the surgeon in a surgery? I know I wouldn't. In a tie here, the surgeon should make the final call.

So yes, the world does work like that. In a tie between personal rights, the person with the most valuable opinion relevant to the problem at hand due to their role is always the best one to leave the final call to. While healers are needed to keep the tank alive, it is not within their realm to actually pull mobs. If the healer is not willing to compromise and there is a tie, and the healer's reaction is to not do their job of healing when the tank is doing their job of pulling, it's the healer who is in the wrong.

An equivalent in this situation would be if one of the photographers was a nurse(i.e. healer). Would you want the nurse to simply refuse to help the surgeon if there was a tie and the surgeon decided to do something that the nurse did not agree with?

The surgeon is not wrongfully "entitled" in this situation by being the tiebreaker. The same could be said for tanks who end up in the situation like I was in.

[Misha_Snow]

As a tank I usually have the habit of checking other players gear, after that if the DPS have potential I ask the healer if he's ok with big pulls and I do a "test" pull. If we pass it then we can move on normally otherwise I switch to small pulls. If a DPS doesn't agree they can leave or vote kick me, I prefer not to argue for no reason. In the CT case, I refuse to go there as tank anymore. It's frustrating when someone with an atma/zenith weap keeps using provoke and failing or people with AF gear that want to MT and end up dying. Many tanks I met either have the "God complex" or are like props from the cut-scenes, rarely I find someone that can put the raid success before his ego. On the DPS side luckly I haven't met many that care more about their parser than the clear. But when I do, I try to remember them that the party came there with a goal and that they can go hit the training dummies if they don't agree.

[LTEvil]

I just want all the lurkers who have read every post but don't want to join in to know one thing.


This is why we can't have nice things on the forums.
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