Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

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Think about it for one second please.

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

What is a DPS's job? To deal as much damage as possible

What is a healer's job? To keep everyone alive

Now tell me. Which of these jobs does run pacing via mob pull size/frequency fall under?

And you're right! People are free to play as they like. No one is denying that.

And you're right! I have no right to demand anything. I, however, haven't demanded anything...someone else demanded something from me. As I've already said, if people ask, I typically give them much more listening. If more people want exp than don't want it, I typically go along with it. If I didn't want to for whatever reason, I'd simply leave.

I don't see why you're trying to justify two people holding two people hostage, as if they have the right to do so, especially when I was the one intended by SE to do the job of determining run pace.

Blame the victim though, right?

And really? You think it's the tank's job to take the blame if other people screw up and they cannot or will not (in the case of purposeful screw ups) make up for it? Last I checked, obnoxious players were not a mechanic in any fight programmed in the game. They are not part of the "job". How a tank chooses to react to people being purposefully disruptive should not be factored into this argument.

Also, the WHM had Holy unlocked. She was level 50. As I've already said, the WHM not holying was more forgivable than the BRD not aoeing though.

How about entitled players stop being entitled? Lets not make this a DPS only thing, because I have run into just as many rude tanks and healers.

As have I. I play all three roles frequently and actually now main NIN. And I agree, no one should act entitled. For the purpose of this topic I am referring to DPS though.

And realistically, DPS are far more numerous than the other roles and typically less needed. I am aware of that, and act accordingly when playing a dps. I also sympathize with the plight that comes with that for DPS when I tank.

[SpookyGhost]

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

[XgungraveX]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

[SpookyGhost]

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die (by popping CDs (another part of your job)), then you're really not any better than the DPS. Ideally the tank dictates the pull order, but listening to your group will prevent things like what happened to the OP. Yes, the BRD didn't ask nicely, but he's probably asked nicely in the past and gotten shot down one too many times.

It's an unfortunate series of circumstance where the DPS really wanted EXP and had gotten tired of people refusing to help, the OP thinking "*looks down atop moral high-ground* I'LL TEACH THIS LOWLY DPS A LESSON FOR BEING A BIG MEANY!", and the healer/other DPS who sided with their friends. You also don't really need to AOE in any of the dungeons before DD, and you don't even need to AOE in DD when people pull 1 at a time, so in all likelyhood the OP forced him into a situation where he didn't know what to do and that just added more fuel to the fire. I'd say, perhaps, if you're going in DF don't pull the whole room and expect that to go well.

Anyway, aside from the OP, I was making a more general point about how your job as the tank works. As noted by the OP, you are there to hold aggro, not get the group cleaved, and soak damage "from aggro'd mobs". If a DPS decides to go off and aggro mobs, then you are responsible for picking those mobs up off them (this is a common occurrence in WoW, ninja pulling is something you get used to fairly quickly). If you then die despite your best efforts and your healer's best efforts, then you can yell at the DPS, but letting them die out of spite is kinda childish and kinda just makes you look like you're getting a bit too big for your britches.

[XgungraveX]

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die (by popping CDs (another part of your job)), then you're really not any better than the DPS

so let me ask this, your in a party of 4 yourself included as the tank, there are 9 mobs in same room grouped up by 3. you pull 1 of the group and start rotations, then dps decides that your not pulling enough and pulls the other 2 groups, now you have all 9 mob chipping away at the dps hp and yours before you have a chance to pick up the other mobs off the dps they die( because it hard to chase down a dps running around with its head cut off) now your down two players you the healer and 9 mobs...... its a wipe, whos are fault here? the tank because he didn't pick up the mobs that there dps pulled or the dps for not dpsing the adds that the tank had aggro on already?

[SpookyGhost]

hypothetical

DPS. Tank tried to pick up the mobs (his job) and couldn't because of the actions of the DPS.

[Sapphic]

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die

And if you do that they don't learn and continue to face pull even more mobs which can easily lead to a wipe. Any competent tank is aware of their limitations and pulls to that point. a random impatient DPS pulling extra mobs is putting the whole party at risk, and safest option is to let them die so the mobs reset.

[Magistrella]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

Wrong, by letting them die i choose to be an idiot as they were for actually pulling mobs in the first place - end of story - i have the ranged attacks with added enmity, not the dps, you pull mobs that are out of my way - you die. Easy, isnt it?

To Topic - here's how it would have gone when i would've been the tank with a friend:

"no skipping anyhting" - "lol? Nope" - "Then the healer wont heal you" - "then i wont tank /sit - feel free to kick me in 5" - i get kicked in 5 minutes, my friend follows, they wait half an hour for a tank in the dungeon or decide to que new like me and my friend que new - problem solved, only 5 minutes wasted

And that's the end to that - if he wants exp he can make a PF group with first room farm dzemael and take his healer friend with him. If he joins the DF - not as tank - he will have to deal with pace and amount of mobs pulled by the tank. If the tank is good enough to look at exp/gear of group members and measure the pulls on that, that is a whole other story. But if you don't tank yourself and get shit from people for even the smallest mistakes, you will follow my pace and do your job - as will i as long as you don't piss me of - like with unfriendly demands right after i join.

P.S.: My Mains in order: BLM/PLD/NIN/SCH - so yeah, ill deal with any tanks that are out there and do as they please, because its faster and less nerve wrecking then demanding anything which can end up in the tank leaving and wasting my time waiting for a new tank or leaving and queing new.

Have a good day ('-')/