Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

What If I saw the posts, but I still think the pattern stands overall? Every rule has its exceptions. :O Perhaps if you could tally up the number of disagreements to "you didn't read" vs disagreements to not mentioning reading? 41 pages of thread, maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part?

It apparently is confirmation bias. Because I just provided you with proof that disagreeing with me does not provoke me to make accusations of not reading. Posting in a manner that shows reading was not done sufficiently does however.

One example of many:

Someone said this

As a matter of fact, if the two DPS want a full clear and the healer does not care...you are obligated, as the minority, to clear the whole dungeon for them (or ditch the group I guess).

When I had already said this only one page earlier:

As I've already said, if people ask, I typically give them much more listening. If more people want exp than don't want it, I typically go along with it. If I didn't want to for whatever reason, I'd simply leave.

You really seem inclined to believe that I am accusing everyone who disagrees with me of not reading. I am only accusing people of not reading when it's clear they've posted without reading or at least posted without understanding what they've read, in which case they should re-read anyways.

I've already given you proof of your assumptions being incorrect, here is another piece of proof. Let's see if you believe me now.

[ThanMazus]

It apparently is confirmation bias. Because I just provided you with proof that disagreeing with me does not provoke me to make accusations of not reading. Posting in a manner that shows reading was not done sufficiently does however.

One example of many:

Someone said this



When I had already said this only one page earlier:




You really seem inclined to believe that I am accusing everyone who disagrees with me of not reading. I am only accusing people of not reading when it's clear they've posted without reading. I've already given you proof of that being incorrect, here is another piece of proof. Let's see if you believe me now.

I'm sorely tempted to make a joke about not reading, but I'm not claiming it's a 100% thing, but a pattern. I even said that rules have their exceptions, and that I thought it was a pattern, not an absolute 100% occurrence.

[Adire]

I'm sorely tempted to make a joke about not reading, but I'm not claiming it's a 100% thing, but a pattern. I even said that rules have their exceptions, and that I thought it was a pattern, not an absolute 100% occurrence.

Well, you're getting an inaccurate and biased idea from the pattern then, as I've proven. The "pattern" you should be focusing on isn't that I'm accusing people of not reading for disagreeing with me, it's that I'm accusing people for not reading who clearly haven't read.

I'm tempted to make another comment about not reading, but I'll be fussed at I'm sure :P. Either way, you're only seeing what you want to see.

Edit: I've also called people who disagreed with me reasonable. And I have clarified a few times even when people who agreed with me had a detail wrong, this shows I am advocating post accuracy from both sides, regardless of my wording choices. Will quote those times if necessary. More exceptions to your perceived pattern, so your pattern is pretty shaky.

If you're going to make a comment like this that shows your obvious bias

Don't forget that if they agreed though, they were calm, rational, and other such positive things. You were only not reading if you disagreed.

Then try to cop out by saying you were only making an unbiased observation of a pattern, you should at least admit that I have good reason to suspect many people aren't reading. The many quotes I can provide attest to that being true. If these people had read, they wouldn't be saying things like the guy said in my last post. That isn't "disagreeing" with me, that is simply lacking knowledge of the situation.

[ThanMazus]

Holy 1000 character limit.

Where did I say my observation was unbiased? I even said it might be confirmation bias on my part. I even expressed interest in an actual count of the posts you made to try to clear that up.

I'm not trying to cop out of anything, let alone a forum post on the internet. You should probably relax, I'm not even insulting you like about half of the posters :P

[Adire]

Where did I say my observation was unbiased? I even said it might be confirmation bias on my part. I even expressed interest in an actual count of the posts you made to try to clear that up.

I'm not trying to cop out of anything, let alone a forum post on the internet. You should probably relax, I'm not even insulting you like about half of the posters :P

You didn't say it, I haven't known many people to admit they're biased and continue justifying their bias though.

You saying you might have confirmation bias came off as sarcastic to me. If you didn't intend for it to be sarcastic, I apologize.

And I am relaxed I am just an assertive debater. It's pretty clear when my emotions are running high, like earlier in this thread. My posts now are not anything like those.

Accusing me of accusing people of not reading when they disagree with me, while throughout this thread I haven't done it at all for that reason, felt pretty insulting though.

[nuyu11]

We are same Age

You are wise man dude, use your wisdom on something more productive.
Getting involved into some childish rant is not worth your time.

I'm pretty surprised that the OP have so much time invested on this thread instead of playing the game itself.

[Adire]

You are wise man dude, use your wisdom on something more productive.
Getting involved into some childish rant is not worth your time.

I'm pretty surprised that the OP have so much time invested on this thread instead of playing the game itself.

Multitasking is a thing you know .

[nuyu11]

Multitasking is a thing you know .

Nice talent you got there...
Why don't you open a thread related with a guide, play style or some suggestion.
I'm more happy to join something like that.

[Adire]

Nice talent you got there...
Why don't you open a thread related with a guide, play style or some suggestion.
I'm more happy to join something like that.

I've made several threads of that sort. At least one suggestion one, others with lighthearted things. None of them got the attention this one got

My suggestion thread was even for a pretty good suggestion I think. Thought it would get a lot of support, but it died fast :/

Edit: If anyone else posts on the topic, I won't be available to respond until Monday due to upcoming Mother's Day vacation. Just wanted to let folks know.

[Seiryuukishi]

You are wise man dude, use your wisdom on something more productive.
Getting involved into some childish rant is not worth your time.

I'm pretty surprised that the OP have so much time invested on this thread instead of playing the game itself.

Thank you for the compliment, it is much appreciated. You're not bad yourself. I just don't care for meaningless conflict, verbal or physical as it serves no purpose. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." (Bertrand Russell). Hope to see you in an expert or the like sometime. Would be fun to meet you in game.