Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

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I've already addressed this with an analogy.

A dps trying to make the final call on that in a tie when it is in no way part of their role's intended function is like an amateur photographer being in the room with 2 other photographers and one surgeon who are all given equal role rights in the surgery. Should they all be considered equal in rights as human beings? Yes. Should they all be considered equal in rights for deciding how a surgery should proceed? No.

Would you want the photographers being equal to the surgeon in a surgery? I know I wouldn't. In a tie here, the surgeon should make the final call.

So yes, the world does work like that. In a tie between personal rights, the person with the most valuable opinion relevant to the problem at hand due to their role is always the best one to leave the final call to. While healers are needed to keep the tank alive, it is not within their realm to actually pull mobs. If the healer is not willing to compromise and there is a tie, and the healer's reaction is to not do their job of healing when the tank is doing their job of pulling, it's the healer who is in the wrong.

An equivalent in this situation would be if one of the photographers was a nurse(i.e. healer). Would you want the nurse to simply refuse to help the surgeon if there was a tie and the surgeon decided to do something that the nurse did not agree with?

The surgeon is not wrongfully "entitled" in this situation by being the tiebreaker. The same could be said for tanks who end up in the situation like I was in.

[StrejdaTom]

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Healer can generate the second highest enmity if the DPS stacked to him, he could still heal himself and hold the mobs.
I can't see a nurse taking scalpel from surgeon to do the surgery. Plus even if it would be difficult, surgeon should still be able to finish the surgery without the nurse.

EDIT: To me you are still just trying to prove your entitlement in "stop being entitled" thread. Which is the problem that most people who disagreed with you had.

[Adire]

Healer can generate the second highest enmity if the DPS stacked to him, he could still heal himself and hold the mobs.
I can't see a nurse taking scalpel from surgeon to do the surgery. Plus even if it would be difficult, surgeon should still be able to finish the surgery without the nurse.

EDIT: To me you are still just trying to prove your entitlement in "stop being entitled" thread. Which is the problem that most people who disagreed with you had.

I'd love to see a healer tank some mobs in the game without being grossly overgeared. The wolves in Snowcloak come to mind. SE didn't make tanks just because...tanks are actually needed sometimes.

Also, my point still stands. Would you want the nurse to have equal sway on the surgery to the surgeon? I know I wouldn't. I'd prefer to leave the final say up to the person best suited to do the job and intended to do the job, the surgeon.

Much like I believe the final say on pulling mobs in a tie should be left up to the person intended to do so. Tanks are already by default the ones expected to pull mobs and when others do it, many facepalms occur. So the community preference for tanks to be the "mob pulling professionals" is there. They are intended to pull by both the community (as evidence by pretty much every run you do) and by SE (evidenced in how they're built). You can make the argument that tanks aren't always needed, but they are still the most convenient to use to pull, so that point stands.

And it's not like I only have this view as a tank, when it benefits me to have it. I also have the view as a DPS. I do not pull mobs, I do not demand of the tank, I do not expect that my vote carry more weight than the tank's if a full clear cannot be agreed upon by the majority.

I also do not stop healing the tank as a healer or pull mobs to get my way if there is a tie between interests, as refusing to do my job of healing to get my way would be griefing. The tank deciding to pull the mobs they want to pull is just the tank doing their job because no agreement can be found between players. If the tank happens to pull more than I can handle and dies, then the tank is at fault. If I tank and do this, then I admit I am at fault.

See? I am not entitled. I do not step outside of my role and do not advocate that anyone does it. All I'm advocating here is that everyone leave the tanking decisions to the tank if people can't come to an agreement about what needs to be pulled. I say this as someone who mains a DPS class in fact, not as someone who mains a tank class. So I am not biased.