#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

I don't really see why we have to constantly tiptoe around those who enjoy current healers. If they don't like that I want more complexity to return to the healer role? That's too bad, because I hate what they enjoy right now.

We both pay the same sub, their preferences don't get to supercede mine.

[Alice_Rivers]

Rather than seeing more complex healers I'd rather start with content actually demanding healers heal, then I wouldn't mind having more complexity if it's called for. But I think it more important to address the main problem first and secondary things after.

[Sharawiwi]

Rather than seeing more complex healers I'd rather start with content actually demanding healers heal, then I wouldn't mind having more complexity if it's called for. But I think it more important to address the main problem first and secondary things after.

But we can do both, and we need to.

You do realize that in DF, the overwhelming majority of healers you'll encounter don't GCD uptime (we're talking less than 50% here) nor DoT uptime ? Don't align buffs, don't use ogcds correctly, and so on ?
Why cater to these players ? At this point why not implement changes like :
-every 10th glaroilosis cast applies a dot
-native autocasting damage gcd for healer jobs
Because otherwise maintining uptime is too hard and sooooo stressfull for the poor casuals :'(

if they don't want to improve nor play decently, it's a choice and their problem, it shouldn't be everyone's.

Is there a single issue with having what I suggested above ? , a complex rotation which can be some or all of :
-multiple dots
-various buffs with decision making to do
-damage gcds filling a healing gauge (or vice versa)
And this rotation would be the theorical 100% efficiency of the job, but if you just do 121 you still get around 80% efficiency.
It is an amount that almost no healer in DF meets anyway, because, as said before, by designing healers for the most braindead players, SE effectively made the playerbase of heals mostly braindead & lazy people.

And such changes ar in no way prohibiting changes to encounter design and reducing dps & tanks absurd amounts of self sustain (lmao at thing like earth's riddle or 3rd eye, and don't even start with the tanks).

[CaptainLagbeard]

For starters, what I want to see two things.

1. Healers being absolutely necessary to beat end-game content... Trials and Raids... Normal, Alliance, Extreme, Savage. Healers shouldn't be replaceable.
2. Healers getting buffed to a point where their base damage output is at the same level as Tanks.

[sharknado]

if they don't want to improve nor play decently, it's a choice and their problem, it shouldn't be everyone's.

The game doesn't really want people to improve or feel the need to unless they want to clear two specific end-game content modes. On top of that public parsing or performance grading is a big no no in this game. So they would have to say they are changing the game audience, which is less subs, less money. No MMO will do that. They will try to please everyone and tell to go savage and ultimate if someones wants a challenge WoW also does this, has multiple difficulty levels and so on to try to please everyone.

a complex rotation which can be some or all of :
-multiple dots
-various buffs with decision making to do
-damage gcds filling a healing gauge (or vice versa)
And this rotation would be the theorical 100% efficiency of the job, but if you just do 121 you still get around 80% efficiency.
It is an amount that almost no healer in DF meets anyway, because, as said before, by designing healers for the most braindead players, SE effectively made the playerbase of heals mostly braindead & lazy people.

In end-game content you would have to manage all of this, raid frames and mechanics at once. Be careful what you wish for. And if healer DPS would get higher then it would be more punishing to heal more so the potency of all of this could be lowered to "balance"

[Alice_Rivers]

But we can do both, and we need to.

You do realize that in DF, the overwhelming majority of healers you'll encounter don't GCD uptime (we're talking less than 50% here) nor DoT uptime ? Don't align buffs, don't use ogcds correctly, and so on ?
Why cater to these players ? At this point why not implement changes like :
-every 10th glaroilosis cast applies a dot
-native autocasting damage gcd for healer jobs
Because otherwise maintining uptime is too hard and sooooo stressfull for the poor casuals :'(

if they don't want to improve nor play decently, it's a choice and their problem, it shouldn't be everyone's.

I agree in so far as there are some terrible healers out there with terrible dps uptime, often terrible healing too, worse is the game does a bad job of teaching healers how/to heal and makes almost no mention I can see of actually pushing dps as a healer. Rather that is player convention and that may or may not be accounted for in higher tiers of content. There should be a requirement for players to have a brain, the game really should teach healers how to play healer and with that to dps, I'm just saying that we should fix healing first and then build any added dps rotation around that scenario.

Is there a single issue with having what I suggested above ? , a complex rotation which can be some or all of :
-multiple dots
-various buffs with decision making to do
-damage gcds filling a healing gauge (or vice versa)
And this rotation would be the theorical 100% efficiency of the job, but if you just do 121 you still get around 80% efficiency.
It is an amount that almost no healer in DF meets anyway, because, as said before, by designing healers for the most braindead players, SE effectively made the playerbase of heals mostly braindead & lazy people.

And such changes ar in no way prohibiting changes to encounter design and reducing dps & tanks absurd amounts of self sustain (lmao at thing like earth's riddle or 3rd eye, and don't even start with the tanks).

I don't think there's anything too offensive here, at least to me, I would be concerned about the button count since my bars are kinda full as is but that's another matter. Ultimately pushing more dps is always going to be healer optimisation, for me it's more about getting things to being 60% or more healing uptime with dps filler rather than 90% dps uptime with healing filler. That would make our existing small handful of dps skills a lot more palatable.

[GartredZW]

I don't really see why we have to constantly tiptoe around those who enjoy current healers. If they don't like that I want more complexity to return to the healer role? That's too bad, because I hate what they enjoy right now.

We both pay the same sub, their preferences don't get to supercede mine.

I say keep White Mage exactly as it is now so everyone who actually likes healer as it is now can just go there.

[CaptainLagbeard]

They should introduce a new Healer class mid-expansion, one that uses the current Healer design as they fix all the other healers... It can even start at 100 with the requirement of any other Healer at 100 to unlock... See how many people would switch to it.

[Bobby66]

I don't really see why we have to constantly tiptoe around those who enjoy current healers. If they don't like that I want more complexity to return to the healer role? That's too bad, because I hate what they enjoy right now.

We both pay the same sub, their preferences don't get to supercede mine.

I mean this largely depends. While inherently their preference may not supersede yours however, if SE desire or goal for the job falls more so inline with those that enjoy current play style then yes one could say their enjoyment and preference does in fact supersede your own. It sucks, but sometimes that is just the way the cards fall.

I do sympathize with you case in point old SMN.

Edit: We are also talking about two sets of players here also. If we really want to fix healers tanks will always have to be adjusted, and if be are being honest most tank players probably do not want to see their role/job nerfed for whatever reason. SE also has a more of a track record listening to overall tank requests not looking at your DRK sorry about you.

[Sharawiwi]

The game doesn't really want people to improve or feel the need to unless they want to clear two specific end-game content modes. On top of that public parsing or performance grading is a big no no in this game. So they would have to say they are changing the game audience, which is less subs, less money. No MMO will do that. They will try to please everyone and tell to go savage and ultimate if someones wants a challenge WoW also does this, has multiple difficulty levels and so on to try to please everyone.


In end-game content you would have to manage all of this, raid frames and mechanics at once. Be careful what you wish for. And if healer DPS would get higher then it would be more punishing to heal more so the potency of all of this could be lowered to "balance"

Too much of a black & white reasoning, it is possible to keep such part of the playerbase in the 95% of the game where it's not a problem (MSQ, social, normal content, DoL & DoH, etc.) while having a meaningfull endgame. As it is right now, with 3 fights cleared week 1/2 without healers, it's not (and the tier is really easy compared to the past). It's possible to do both.

Moreover, look at every online game with a developped competitive side who choose to appeal to casuals and oversimplified their game. It's a short term gain but mid term and long term it's a massive loss.
The players keeping a game alive are not the casuals, it's the passionate ones who stay multiple years and spend money. Especially with the subscription system, most casual will play 2-3 months at best and unsub until the next big release.

Oh my god, having something to manage in content, please I'm begging to get back to the feeling of playing AST in savage and ultimate.
And if healing end game content became extremely hard, maybe it would force tanks and melee dps to respect their healers by not permanently greeding for uptime.

The state of the game is already the worst it has ever been (at least that's how I feel), I welcome any change in the right direction, even if not perfect.