#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Ritsugamesh]

For anyone keeping track we've hit over 1,000,000 views now for this thread. Like holy moly.

I really hope we get something, anything, in terms of recognition out of this from SE. Even if it doesn't come until the next expansion. Something's gotta give.

[Ramiee]

I don't really see why we have to constantly tiptoe around those who enjoy current healers. If they don't like that I want more complexity to return to the healer role? That's too bad, because I hate what they enjoy right now.

We both pay the same sub, their preferences don't get to supercede mine.

I mean yeah fair enough.
If CBU3 actually cared though they would compromise by making 2 healers brain dead and 2 healers fun for old players.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]In end-game content you would have to manage all of this, raid frames and mechanics at once. Be careful what you wish for. And if healer DPS would get higher then it would be more punishing to heal more so the potency of all of this could be lowered to "balance"

I'm not sure why having to manage all of that in 'end-game contents' is even a bad idea. Players are supposed to have SOME degree of competency in that level - that's to be expected. If they can't meet that expectation, then they should go back and try again after improving.

Furthermore, varied damage options would definitely lower the output of some healers who're used to 1 2 1 1 1. That's to be expected. But that's also SE job to decide how far low: will they do 70% out of full potential for keeping 1 button spam? Or will be 50%? 30%? 85%? Personally to me, I'll take any. Even reducing Dia DoT to 18s like old Aero II would've been a boon for such a 'simple change'. (just one from many low bar examples)

[Supersnow845]

Why are people so obsessed with wanting to baby roles in savage of all things

“Oh nyooo we can’t have the autos actually do more than the tanks inbuilt healing”
“Oh nyooo we can’t expect healers to actually heal”
“Oh nyooo we can’t expect healers to have an actual rotation”

Like what’s the point of savage if you are aren’t actually testing people. And let’s not pretend like the current design is inflating PF numbers which is a good thing, even JP can’t recruit healers at the moment despite them apparently liking healers being the designated fall asleep role

The current system isn’t working and the massive healer shortage on an easier than average to heal tier is proof of that, people simply do not want to play healers

[ForsakenRoe]

I mean yeah fair enough.
If CBU3 actually cared though they would compromise by making 2 healers brain dead and 2 healers fun for old players.

If CBU3 cared (and had the design chops) they would compromise by making all four healers fun for old players, while also balancing the potencies in such a way that you can also play all four of them 'braindead' style

AKA, the same way we can play DPS or Tanks currently (eg you could clear a EX roulette by just spamming Overpower as WAR, but that doesn't stop the players who want to Fell Cleave and Inner Chaos from doing so)

The current system isn’t working and the massive healer shortage on an easier than average to heal tier is proof of that, people simply do not want to play healers

GNB was designed to be 'a tank that plays like a melee DPS' and it was quite successful. I don't really get why SE didn't make SGE be 'a healer that plays like a DPS' (albeit a simpler one) if they wanted to appeal to DPS players

[PercibelTheren]

as much as I hate to disagree... but you are wrong.

you are trying to say, that the high end elite people who blast through content like their house is on fire, and stop playing for months until the next patch/expansion... ARE CASUALS?

thanks for the laugh. thats a good one. not sure what game you have played where that happened, but I would love to know. but I seriously think you have it VERY backwards.

Agreed. My experience with PvP games being balanced for the top players has been nothing short of horrible. In games where roles exist, the vast majority of them are DPS mains and that leads to every other role being nerfed to the ground, which in turns alienates large parts of the playerbase.

[Jojoya]

For anyone keeping track we've hit over 1,000,000 views now for this thread. Like holy moly.

I really hope we get something, anything, in terms of recognition out of this from SE. Even if it doesn't come until the next expansion. Something's gotta give.

Nothings going to give until enough players quit the game.

Sorry, but that's just the way business works. People pay, business is good. People stop paying, business make changes so they're willing to pay again.

At this point, no one is quitting. They're switching to other jobs at most.

Tired of healer design? Play tank. A tank not using their stance is a very sturdy DPS with healing and mitigation utility. If the amount of DPS a group of tanks can put out is sufficient to beat DPS checks, there is no reason to play anything else.

[Supersnow845]

Nothings going to give until enough players quit the game.

Sorry, but that's just the way business works. People pay, business is good. People stop paying, business make changes so they're willing to pay again.

At this point, no one is quitting. They're switching to other jobs at most.

Tired of healer design? Play tank. A tank not using their stance is a very sturdy DPS with healing and mitigation utility. If the amount of DPS a group of tanks can put out is sufficient to beat DPS checks, there is no reason to play anything else.

The healer shortage has ground PF to a halt, people are reporting 4 hour waits for healers and paying grey healers millions of Gil hush to fill their parties

A massive loss of subscribers would have the most noticeable effect but I can’t imagine they will just gone ignore the whole built in trinity in PF and DF grinding to a halt

[Magikazam]

Agreed. My experience with PvP games being balanced for the top players has been nothing short of horrible. In games where roles exist, the vast majority of them are DPS mains and that leads to every other role being nerfed to the ground, which in turns alienates large parts of the playerbase.

It depend what you mean by ''balanced for the top player'' I've never really seen a game like that at all tbh.

WoW raid design was balanced for top player, but not the classes. You could clear contents even with hillariously bad classes or spec. Hell I did some legion raid on dps feral, during the time it was extremly weak due to the last rework gutting it energy management and lowering it dps greatly.

League of Legend don't balance for top player especially either. They mostly ignore the ''casual'' meta and focus more on midcore meta, all while just nerfing/buffing random stuff around to shake the Meta up.

I don't think those 2 games are near perfection in term of balancing, but I rarely see people bringing real proof that some game are balanced around top player.

[Tigore]

I suppose I am now fitting into the camp of trying other job classes now that all 4 of my healer classes are capped. Normally I didn't notice much troubles when I was levelling as a healer, but my stories change for a few parties as DPS. Just recently for one of the (spoiler) 90 trial fight, we had troubles with the Doom mechanic for a few pulls. Some of the players were only healed to around 80 - 95% HP when we need 100% to drop the debuff and prevent death. I had to use Second Wind to get to my full health state several times. The DRK tank was not so lucky. I mentioned this bit of trouble only to get a remark from one saying they are the only one trying to heal it. The tanks were also immediately pulling before I could make any suggestions on what cooldowns could help.

I don't know how often this happens though for others currently. Although I am seeing some ripple effects with what appears to be less veteran players healing. A few other friends levelling up from the expansion start did notice a sharp decline in the quality of healers for some of their 90 - 100 dungeon runs. When said spoiler trial raid was current, there was never a problem with the Doom mechanic being respected from what I could recall.

I am not trying to brand anyone forever with these mistakes. Although I can only help if the new players are willing to listen. It also helps to stop pulling so suddenly to let the mentors teach the sprouts with obvious problems. After all. Once the new players know our tricks of the trade, they may eventually notice our Glare spam too and chime in with feedback as well.