#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Azurarok]

I do think the healer community's a bit split on how much of the role should be healing and how much should be dps though. We've been left with neither and agree that's Not Good, at least.

[Sivante]

We could even go as far as mentioning Selphie from FF8 and Aerith from FF7. Their limit breaks were more so for healing, but the materia / junction systems allowed them to cast Black Magic or even Ultima if they really wanted to.

FF6 pretty much had Terra and Celes as the natural magic users without learning from Espers and they even had fire, ice, Ultima and Meteor. Strago could count too as a "healer" using Blue Magic (Lore) and having Grand Delta (Train).

God I'd kill for a Celes / Rune Knight class.

[Silver-Strider]

(Of course, what's missing in the bottom part of the graphic is precisely the plethora of healing spells that are frequently used by typical players doing group content in typical groups. If the graphic didn't show only DPS spells, but showed all casts by a typical healer in typical group content, well...it would destroy the image here that intentionally misleads the viewer by omitting critical info.)

Except, you know, the number of healing abilities we actually use currently falls below 40% on average. We used to heal a hell of a lot more when Image 1 was a thing.

[Tigore]

@ Xenoviastar

I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.

[sagacious]

MK4 is just to hard. I have seen all the streams saying DT raids are not to hard and just get GUD, but I have 3 alts doing MK4 3 times a week and I can't get it right .... the phase where 1/4th of the room is left and we have to go back and forth is impossible ... Can anyone provide any tips ..I'm so lost on it and I play healer and when the healer dies it's game over .. I need help. (cries)

[Kiyumi]

To prevent accidentally sounding smart by not speaking, I will give what will likely be considered an excessively dumb take;

I like healers as they are. I main it, in every game. I haven't played as much as many of you, but I enjoy it. I think DT's dungeon design has been a hoot and I love it in the exes and savages too. I think as a healer, the mental strain is much higher than as a DPS since you've to watch everyone for mistakes and track all the HP bars etc, and I would not want a more complex DPS rotation for that reason. It'd overwhelm me and chase me out of the job.

I love seeing RDMs or Summoners in my party, because they don't infringe on my core role (keeping people alive) while giving me a much-appreciated security -- It's okay if I make a mistake and die, I won't be a burden on the entire party by going in blind or doing content I don't remember. Thank you for existing, Res Mages.

I wish everyone had some slow res for that reason - no swift res, just the ability to spend a phoenix down to res on a 10 second cast timer or so in case a healer messed up a mech and everyone else is fine.



Now -- I agree they should give us more to do when with good parties. With bad parties, I am always busy. Good parties can be boring. I also think WAR is a bit of an issue - I dont think they need a nerf (there's people who can only play WAR as they can't track mechanics for one reason or another. Please remember them!) but I think there needs to be a clear mech to prevent WARs from soloing bosses.

Solution? More frequent stack markers. Too much so for WAR's invuln.

This also gives healers much more to do. But you know, now we get a different problem. It's going to raise toxicity a lot if a non-healing healer (which very much exists) means a party cannot possibly pass content. My suggestion would be either, 1. Giving some sort of method of reducing how hard a stack marker hits (a difficult, unexplained mech maybe?) or making sure every DPS has some sort of shield that if used correctly is /just/ enough for DPS to stay alive (but at the cost of them doing damage - making it /better/ to have a healer around for this).

Moving on.


So I enjoy this job. Am I alone? Maybe all the healers are mad, but I think actually, the ones going on the forum are probably the unhappy ones and the happy ones are quietly enjoying this game and expansion.

Does that invalidate the complaints? No! But, I would like to say this--

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who may be dumb like me and enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy. If we're getting a more complex DPS healer, please consider making this a new job for next expansion, and keeping the current healers feeling exactly as they are. I don't think it's very fair to take something some enjoy and change it to the point they don't, for the benefit of other people.


But on the other hand, maybe people like me don't belong in this game.

[EusisLandale]

@ Xenoviastar

I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.

They're not complaining about Requiescat. They're complaining about them wasting it on Clemency.

they use Requiescat to heal themselves instead of doing damage.
Using Requiescat to clemency or just use clemency in general.

[Tigore]

It was a bit confusing since the spell damage combo also heals the PLD. Maybe not as much as Clemency would, but it's still decent enough to keep their HP stabilized.

[Supersnow845]

So I enjoy this job. Am I alone? Maybe all the healers are mad, but I think actually, the ones going on the forum are probably the unhappy ones and the happy ones are quietly enjoying this game and expansion.

Does that invalidate the complaints? No! But, I would like to say this--

Please do not ruin /my/ enjoyment and those of others who may be dumb like me and enjoy this as is, in favor of pleasing those who are unhappy. If we're getting a more complex DPS healer, please consider making this a new job for next expansion, and keeping the current healers feeling exactly as they are. I don't think it's very fair to take something some enjoy and change it to the point they don't, for the benefit of other people.


But on the other hand, maybe people like me don't belong in this game.

Your last point about “if they want to make a more complex healer it should be a new job leaving the current healers as they are” is exactly the argument we are using for why they should make AST and SCH complex again because they used to be complex and got lobotomised. Just as you don’t want your current jobs changed because you like them we didn’t like our old healers changed because we like them

If they are going to fix healers I 100% want SCH to be one of the main beneficiaries of it because SCH was always the most complex healer and I want that back

[Xenoviastar]

@ Xenoviastar

I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.

how did you come to that conclusion?
They use Requiescat to instant cast clemency instead of holy spirit or holy circle.