#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Bobby66]

They can say whatever they want, but at the end of the day, Savage bosses and above have DPS checks that REQUIRE the healer to contribute to DPS.

And savage and ult prog have plenty of enagagement as a healer imo. Thought this was about normal content. I dont think anyone can say savage and ult at the very least prog is devoid of engagment or skill expression.

[PercibelTheren]

And savage and ult prog have plenty of enagagement as a healer imo. Thought this was about normal content. I dont think anyone can say savage and ult at the very least prog is devoid of engagment or skill expression.

I mean, the complaint has been that Savage is only fun during prog, right? Nobody is denying that progging is engaging but that's only because things are going wrong and you're still figuring out the fight. Once your group optimizes it, you're back to spamming Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis and throwing out an OGCd every raidwide, conveniently timed exactly for you to have your big CDs up each time.

[Bobby66]

I mean, the complaint has been that Savage is only fun during prog, right? Nobody is denying that progging is engaging but that's only because things are going wrong and you're still figuring out the fight. Once your group optimizes it, you're back to spamming Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis and throwing out an OGCd every raidwide, conveniently timed exactly for you to have your big CDs up each time.

Isn't that true for most content in any game once it is figured out it loses it's luster? I play in bursts when it comes to pve content get my clear, maybe try for some speed runs and back to WoW I go. Only content I go back to long term is WoW arena.

I'm not sure why it's disingenuous to ask for something we enjoy to come back?

This is a game, we play it to have fun, if we no longer have fun after changes, we are within our rights to ask for those changes to be reverted. That's not entitlement, that's not disingenuous, that's just feedback.

I say it is disingenuous because people clearly find currently healers fun or still play them. If current healer playstyle was as bad as people here have made it out to be on a large scale healers probably would have been changed just the by the nature of not having enough healers to complete content. Queues times would be horrible across the board, groups would be waiting for hours to find healers. They are extreme examples but you catch my point.

It is okay to want something back, but at the same time I think we need to acknowledge that people clearly do enjoy healers as they are. Maybe even more people like healers that don't like healers. That is why I say it is disingenuous, like I said I loved old smn, and I am sure many others did but alas more people like current smn so no point asking for old smn to come back.

Logically just seems to tract that for whatever reason people like healers as they are. So any change that is likely to happen I think has to happen within the current scope of healer design whatever that means to SE.

[Rolder50]

And savage and ult prog have plenty of enagagement as a healer imo. Thought this was about normal content. I dont think anyone can say savage and ult at the very least prog is devoid of engagment or skill expression.

Nope, even in Savage and Ultimate, you will still be spending 75%+ of your GCDs on damage. If you weren't, you would just be standing around picking your nose.

[Shurrikhan]

Nope, even in Savage and Ultimate, you will still be spending 75%+ of your GCDs on damage. If you weren't, you would just be standing around picking your nose.

Tbf, reflexively hitting a filler button (cognitively no more demanding than idling except in its impact on limiting oGCD use to one or two [near-zero ping] oGCDs per round) doesn't mean there can't be cognitive load enough from other sources.

In itself, our attacks may as well not exist for all the cognitive load they bring to attacking. But, that doesn't mean they contribute nothing to forcing a sort of pacing, and in turn a bit more cognitive load, onto healing (especially if we were to have, say, more frequent access to oGCDs but with a secondary cost [e.g., MP] constraining use in the longer term).

...Though, there's then all the more to be said for the issue of learning a fight quickly making those other sources about as shallow/automatic as going drinking bird on one's spam attack key.