#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[gllt]

Yeah I think there's a lot of misunderstanding if you haven't played something like old school. Old School RuneScape is actually not like RuneScape once was, it has tons of qol changes on top of it and we're all playing it on new computers with better server infrastructure and an officially sanctioned client loaded with plugins.

Like do I like playing older versions of games truly as they were? Sure, but even when people do bring games back, that's never truly possible in the sense of recreating every detail of the old experience. It'll always be a little different and sometimes that's (obviously) for the better.

[IDontPetLalas]

Yeah I think there's a lot of misunderstanding if you haven't played something like old school. Old School RuneScape is actually not like RuneScape once was, it has tons of qol changes on top of it and we're all playing it on new computers with better server infrastructure and an officially sanctioned client loaded with plugins.

Like do I like playing older versions of games truly as they were? Sure, but even when people do bring games back, that's never truly possible in the sense of recreating every detail of the old experience. It'll always be a little different and sometimes that's (obviously) for the better.

I've had the invitation to go back to at least one classic version of a game, in my instance I've always declined. First of all, the community isn't the same, and that makes a dramatic difference. Secondly, as a veteran of the game, as opposed to someone going through the content for the first time, you know all the shortcuts and the content, so you can't replicate the learning experience- so that's really no way near the same experience. Third- in each case when the classic version was brought back - it was "improved" - either the graphics, or job skills , or even some content was modified - all of which again doesn't replicate the original experience.

So, in at least one case, I was happy to keep my memories, unfortunately many people ended up being disappointed and leaving after a relatively shorting period of time after one classic version was released.

[gllt]

I've had the invitation to go back to at least one classic version of a game, in my instance I've always declined. First of all, the community isn't the same, and that makes a dramatic difference. Secondly, as a veteran of the game, as opposed to someone going through the content for the first time, you know all the shortcuts and the content, so you can't replicate the learning experience- so that's really no way near the same experience. Third- in each case when the classic version was brought back - it was "improved" - either the graphics, or job skills , or even some content was modified - all of which again doesn't replicate the original experience.

So, in at least one case, I was happy to keep my memories, unfortunately many people ended up being disappointed and leaving after a relatively shorting period of time after one classic version was released.

Oh yeah this is definitely all very true. I wouldn't deny any of it.
I think this is necessary info to tell people who ask for this kind of thing.
It helps set healthy expectations if it does happen.

RuneScape, back in the day, was mysterious.
Now it's figured out and highly optimized in the form of OSRS.

Two different games, for sure.

[Kes13a]

sorry to derail the nostalgia train, but please try and stay on the thread topic.

as much as people like their rose coloured glasses.. I dont want an earlier version of the game, I want a current version of the game with proper healers.

[GartredZW]

sorry to derail the nostalgia train, but please try and stay on the thread topic.

as much as people like their rose coloured glasses.. I dont want an earlier version of the game, I want a current version of the game with proper healers.

Well look at what happened with WoW. They released a classic version after saying for so long that we don't actually want it. It exponentially increases the sub count, and now there are more people with a reference point for what's wrong with the current game.
And did they listen to the feedback? I don't know, I gave up on WoW before I gave them the chance.

[Kes13a]

Well look at what happened with WoW. They released a classic version after saying for so long that we don't actually want it. It exponentially increases the sub count, and now there are more people with a reference point for what's wrong with the current game.
And did they listen to the feedback? I don't know, I gave up on WoW before I gave them the chance.

not sure, I never played on one of them. I had no interested in losing many appreciated QoL that released after the classic server game states. yes, it did increase sub counts because at that point, WoW was where SE is heading with 14. the expansions were trash, their direction was trash... and as we found out recently.. so was the company.

I would rather see FFXIV, the game play for all as well as development saved BEFORE it gets to the state where people leave and never.. ever... look back

[IDontPetLalas]

sorry to derail the nostalgia train, but please try and stay on the thread topic.

as much as people like their rose coloured glasses.. I dont want an earlier version of the game, I want a current version of the game with proper healers.

This is on topic, as a number of people have pointed out, it can be useful to review what we liked or didn't like about past versions of a game, and there's really no need to assume that we all look through our memories through "rose-coloured glasses"

By the way, the current version of the game with "proper" healers is likely an oxymoron, by the time that healers get significant changes, we likely wouldn't be in the current version, and if you can provide the "proper" definition of a healer that would satisfy everyone, well, if you can provide that definition, there have been some very good attempts here in the past. It would be great if Square would reply to those posts.

[SeriousPan]

People diverting topic for a little bits not gonna hurt, I think the points been made after 8900 responses. Besides, it can be beneficial to see where you came from compared to where you are now even if it's just via conversation. GartredZW pointed this out with Classic WoW and how it frames the problems of Retail for some of its playerbase.

[Aravell]

Honestly, I do believe that if players who joined after ShB had the opportunity to try the HW/SB kits, most of them would probably realise it's not as bad as they thought.

I see so many people bash the old systems like TP and Cleric Stance or even tank stances without ever experiencing them. But I'd wager that the majority of the playerbase simply doesn't care how easy or hard a job plays and will play it regardless because they like the aesthetics/design.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Honestly, I do believe that if players who joined after ShB had the opportunity to try the HW/SB kits, most of them would probably realise it's not as bad as they thought.

I see so many people bash the old systems like TP and Cleric Stance or even tank stances without ever experiencing them. But I'd wager that the majority of the playerbase simply doesn't care how easy or hard a job plays and will play it regardless because they like the aesthetics/design.

I agree. Honestly, I felt more like a healer back then than I do now, in spite of White Mages having more healing abilities/spells in Dawn Trail.

Not sure if I agree with you about the majority of the playerbase not caring about how hard or easy a job is to play. It's definitely part of the reason.

Personally, I'd like to see players rewarded for playing a complex job well more than someone playing a simpler job. So, a White Mage would perform adequately; but, a well played Scholar would do better than a White Mage's best.

not sure, I never played on one of them. I had no interested in losing many appreciated QoL that released after the classic server game states. yes, it did increase sub counts because at that point, WoW was where SE is heading with 14. the expansions were trash, their direction was trash... and as we found out recently.. so was the company.

I would rather see FFXIV, the game play for all as well as development saved BEFORE it gets to the state where people leave and never.. ever... look back

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A thousand times this. I played WoW for 8 years. In the end, I couldn't bring myself to even to log on even when someone offered to buy me a year subscription to WoW Classic. The attitude and actions of Blizzard drove such a wedge between the company and its subscribers that I refuse to ever go back.

While the situation isn't quite so bad in FFXIV yet, Square Enix is in danger of falling into the same pitfalls and patterns which killed Everquest and almost killed WoW. I really don't want to see that happen.